The thing is about the sport.

[NeilA]

When my cocks is are really right and I train they don’t circle they scare me as there low just above head height when there not right they circle 2/3 times I notice
I remember year before last I had never seen them leave the lib point so fast about 15 feet off the floor I let 11 go
I had 7 drop to win the fed on the Saturday so would that not work at a race point
I have a pal that use to convoy a 6 bird club and a fed the 6 bird is the money races he tells me it’s remarkable the difference in the speed of the two libs I imagine the cream is in the 6 bird

[MIL]

This is taken from the "Littlehampton" thread that I wrote some months ago

So tell me - where did the 24 YB of Gordon Bros decimate the Combine on that day?

Cos it wasn't at the home end I can tell you that!

[MIL]

When my cocks is are really right and I train they don’t circle they scare me as there low just above head height when there not right they circle 2/3 times I notice
I remember year before last I had never seen them leave the lib point so fast about 15 feet off the floor I let 11 go
I had 7 drop to win the fed on the Saturday so would that not work at a race point
I have a pal that use to convoy a 6 bird club and a fed the 6 bird is the money races he tells me it’s remarkable the difference in the speed of the two libs I imagine the cream is in the 6 bird

In my opinion if birds are not clearing the liberation site instantly then their heads are not right and I'd be treating them

Cos I tell you mine would clear without looking sideways and if yours circle 3-4 times I'm the best part of a mile up the road and you aint gonna catch that up without help from a BoP

[king]

I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)

For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear

My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear

I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts

Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you

I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?

[king]

When my cocks is are really right and I train they don’t circle they scare me as there low just above head height when there not right they circle 2/3 times I notice
I remember year before last I had never seen them leave the lib point so fast about 15 feet off the floor I let 11 go
I had 7 drop to win the fed on the Saturday so would that not work at a race point
I have a pal that use to convoy a 6 bird club and a fed the 6 bird is the money races he tells me it’s remarkable the difference in the speed of the two libs I imagine the cream is in the 6 bird

In my opinion if birds are not clearing the liberation site instantly then their heads are not right and I'd be treating them

Cos I tell you mine would clear without looking sideways and if yours circle 3-4 times I'm the best part of a mile up the road and you aint gonna catch that up without help from a BoP

How would you know this Mike?

[NeilA]

I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)

For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear

My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear

I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts

Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you

I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
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Was it 10 min clear in the fed king ? What kind of vels

[MIL]

I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)

For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear

My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear

I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts

Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you

I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?

Not a Fed race though King - you refer to a club win

If the birds are good they should repeat the performance to a certain degree time and time again

"Lee" had other great efforts including 2nd Fed beat on a decimal (the first 2 were again 3 min clear)

As for Pitbull Queen she had a list as long as your arm

[king]

I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)

For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear

My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear

I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts

Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you

I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
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Was it 10 min clear in the fed king ? What kind of vels

No it finished 3rd Fed 1600s

[MIL]

How would you know this Mike?

I practice what I preach King

I'm a 2 x West Midlands Region Sprint Champion in the 0-250 miles category and in 2005 I was 2nd National Ace Sprint Champion of the UK

People can liker or loathe me (it doesn't keep me awake at night) but I know sprinting

[NeilA]

I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
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Was it 10 min clear in the fed king ? What kind of vels

No it finished 3rd Fed 1600s

That’s not 10 min clear though, king still did well but it didn’t win by 10 mins