The thing is about the sport.

[king]

How would you know this Mike?

I practice what I preach King

I'm a 2 x West Midlands Region Sprint Champion in the 0-250 miles category and in 2005 I was 2nd National Ace Sprint Champion of the UK

People can liker or loathe me (it doesn't keep me awake at night) but I know sprinting

Mike I'm not doubting your racing ability, and certainly don't loathe you, (if I did I wouldn't bother replying on the thread) I asked how you would know if your birds circled the race point or not? And does it matter if they are still winning the race?

[MIL]

My birds don't circle in training so why should they on a Saturday?

Whenever my birds went in the basket to them its a race. They don't know they're only "training"

[NeilA]

You do get crap races like that Andy we had one this year a lad who hadn’t won a club card all year won the fed
We don’t really know why it happened we suspected peregrines at the site scaring the ybs but we don’t really know

[king]

My birds don't circle in training so why should they on a Saturday?

Whenever my birds went in the basket to them its a race. They don't know they're only "training"

Ha Mike so you assuming they do the same as training? and you really don't actually know what they do when racing.

[MIL]

When they are in the air they're anybody's we know this

But give me the choice I'd rather have one out on its own than with a pack

If its with others why do I deserve to win?

[MIL]

My birds don't circle in training so why should they on a Saturday?

Whenever my birds went in the basket to them its a race. They don't know they're only "training"

Ha Mike so you assuming they do the same as training? and you really don't actually know what they do when racing.

The result sheet tells me what I need to know

In my day there wasn't tracking but Gary and Niall Gordon track their birds with great effect

[king]

You do get crap races like that Andy we had one this year a lad who hadn’t won a club card all year won the fed
We don’t really know why it happened we suspected peregrines at the site scaring the ybs but we don’t really know

I've watch countless libs around York. York/Wetherby/Selby(Bubwith) on both good and bad days and I've never seen the birds leave the transport and head straight for home. So the good & bad birds have left the site together. Now everybody will agree that between the lib point and home end the good birds get to the front.

[king]

My birds don't circle in training so why should they on a Saturday?

Whenever my birds went in the basket to them its a race. They don't know they're only "training"

Ha Mike so you assuming they do the same as training? and you really don't actually know what they do when racing.

The result sheet tells me what I need to know

In my day there wasn't tracking but Gary and Niall Gordon track their birds with great effect

How do you explain when you are beaten Mike? (It must have happened) If you are correct and your birds don't circle at the race point and head straight for home, how do they get overtaken?

[MIL]

That's easy enough King because on the day they (and I) weren't good enough

[NeilA]

You do get crap races like that Andy we had one this year a lad who hadn’t won a club card all year won the fed
We don’t really know why it happened we suspected peregrines at the site scaring the ybs but we don’t really know

I've watch countless libs around York. York/Wetherby/Selby(Bubwith) on both good and bad days and I've never seen the birds leave the transport and head straight for home. So the good & bad birds have left the site together. Now everybody will agree that between the lib point and home end the good birds get to the front.

I use to go to North Weald ( Epping) amd then Wansted flats as a teenager seen 35,000 go to unc they do break in groups king but I’m happy to have different views to each other on this king