Mike’s help / todays result

[MIL]

what's wrong here then what's that about no need Mike is a wealth of knowledge and not trying to teach you to suck eggs but sounds like you don't want to know

Thanks Worm - appreciate that

I'm happy to help anyone that wants to be helped. But those who don't can kiss my candy ass to be honest

Every Club has its fanciers who just rock up and take a beating every week. I've no time for that mentality




Take Neil for instance. He's a very good flier

4-5 weeks ago I asked him to change the way he prepares his birds on a Friday

He said "I'd never have thought of that" - but he tried it anyway - even though he was maybe unconvinced at the start

The result now a few weeks later (after several 1st Fed's and more Club wins - and being on Natural)


Neil - Question

In 2025 will you continue to follow this new Friday approach moving forwards?

[MIL]

I've sat and witched this thread for a couple of days, very interesting the different ways of looking at it.
My view is other than being born with a homing instinct, pigeons are born pretty much a blank sheet. A good routine at home and plenty of education can turn them into pigeons that leave the liberation in the front bunch and can break away.
In other words, winners.
A casual approach, with random training can turn them into followers, or pigeons that fly in the drag. Once that pattern is fixed, I have doubts that it is changed.
Looking at the results of races the same names appear at the top week after week and season after season. That indicates to me that they are doing something different.
And better.

Very true Murray

And then "Following" becomes a habit

[NeilA]

what's wrong here then what's that about no need Mike is a wealth of knowledge and not trying to teach you to suck eggs but sounds like you don't want to know

Thanks Worm - appreciate that

I'm happy to help anyone that wants to be helped. But those who don't can kiss my candy ass to be honest

Every Club has its fanciers who just rock up and take a beating every week. I've no time for that mentality




Take Neil for instance. He's a very good flier

4-5 weeks ago I asked him to change the way he prepares his birds on a Friday

He said "I'd never have thought of that" - but he tried it anyway - even though he was maybe unconvinced at the start

The result now a few weeks later (after several 1st Fed's and more Club wins - and being on Natural)


Neil - Question

In 2025 will you continue to follow this new Friday approach moving forwards?

Yes I will 100 per cent
It never came into my head to do it but it works fantastic
I won 4 of the clubs 5 races I sent to

[MIL]

I thought so

What me and Gordon Bros do you see (we've worked together for over 20 years now) is that we break EVERYTHING down - every tiny aspect of Management and say "Can we do this better?" "Is there a better way?"

Then the theory is put into a live scenario and the results assessed over a period of time

What you're doing now won't make an also ran into a winner

It won't make a poorly trained specimen lacking fitness and not 100% health into a winner

But it can make a very good pigeon that's very well prepared into an even greater danger

[NeilA]

Yes as there going in the best possible way on a Friday that I can get them for my level and being naturals

[MIL]

Got to say I agree with Worm

Not sure what’s gone on Andy but Mikes only been helpful to me and most in the group and plenty of us have seek further help
I text Mike regular when I am in two minds and he’s never ignored what are to him my basic questions
I think we are lucky to have a ex fancier who won what he has be there to help
He raced in a very competitive period in a area where the sprint racing was very different to now
What you must understand is your kind of racing just didn’t happen to him within a few seconds all too lofts were timed in
My area is nothing like the area it was 20 years ago but you know within 2/3 mins when you need one and most will have them in that time
It’s like my training if I didn’t brainwash my babies I would be miles behind
Yesterday in the strong east wind I should be last club and possible only 4 lofts in the fed are in a worse position than me yet I got them coming bang on line
If I didn’t do my night time short training my birds would be coming out the west yesterday I’m sure of it

The lessons that you've instilled in your YB Neil will be with them for life now

Every lesson learned young is learned best

"Can't teach an old dog new tricks?"

Same applies with pigeons. Bad habits (in terms of slack to clear the liberation / training point) are a bugger to resolve permanently

[Steve Howells]

I've sat and witched this thread for a couple of days, very interesting the different ways of looking at it.
My view is other than being born with a homing instinct, pigeons are born pretty much a blank sheet. A good routine at home and plenty of education can turn them into pigeons that leave the liberation in the front bunch and can break away.
In other words, winners.
A casual approach, with random training can turn them into followers, or pigeons that fly in the drag. Once that pattern is fixed, I have doubts that it is changed.
Looking at the results of races the same names appear at the top week after week and season after season. That indicates to me that they are doing something different.
And better.

Very true Murray

And then "Following" becomes a habit

I agree with the majority of this, the wrong approach can defiantly ruin birds I'm a dab hand at it . What I don't agree with is "pigeons apart from homing instinct are born a blank sheet". They inherit a genetic package from their parents, and with good management that genetic package will determine how good they are. There is now plenty of very good research which shows birds with certain Gene allele's that vary from the normal genetic code consistently show up in better preforming birds. What's interesting is many of these gene variants fail to appear in non flying breeds which would suggest racing has had the effect of magnifying them.

[MIL]

Agreed

Pigeons carrying a certain "lineage" and DNA have an advanced aptitude at winning.

[NeilA]

My thoughts of this subject, You breed good youngsters from well proven stock birds. Give them good nutrition and health care, train them hard and well. Weather permitting, and having a good trapping system. Also some single toss training, to help them work it out themselves. Then on race days you hope they break at the Liberation site, and they are the leaders with hundreds and thousand followers behind. That is what i would like.

Agree
I must admit I don’t single toss due to time I would like to have them up in 3’s so maybe I should look at that
My trouble is no one at the home end and I fear the local cats so I do t lie to be out to long with the trap open

[MIL]

Fortunately Trev, in an open forum we all have the ability to read and dismiss exactly what we like - I do it all the time

Yes, there's winner and losers in all clubs - some achieve both of those things regularly, and if they're happy then so be it

My desire is for any particular fancier to be the best that they can be that's all

Phil was a fancier who carded occasionally and won a race here or there

In March 2022 I started helping him, and he's as good as gold - he does everything I ask him to

He sends me his droppings every morning and I make him accountable

Since March 2022 ( Flying in 1 club alone) he's now won 36 x 1st prizes

That's not fluke

So, my way might not be to everyone's flavour, but I know what i'm on about (certainly at 0-250 anyway) because that's where the majority of my experience and passion is