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I'm sure you're right Murray

A team of good pigeons in the hands of a fancier with next to no talent and work ethic will struggle more than a dedicated fancier who has his finger on the pulse

NeilA wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:19 am

MIL wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:12 am

worm wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:22 pm
what's wrong here then what's that about no need Mike is a wealth of knowledge and not trying to teach you to suck eggs but sounds like you don't want to know

Thanks Worm - appreciate that

I'm happy to help anyone that wants to be helped. But those who don't can kiss my candy ass to be honest

Every Club has its fanciers who just rock up and take a beating every week. I've no time for that mentality




Take Neil for instance. He's a very good flier

4-5 weeks ago I asked him to change the way he prepares his birds on a Friday

He said "I'd never have thought of that" - but he tried it anyway - even though he was maybe unconvinced at the start

The result now a few weeks later (after several 1st Fed's and more Club wins - and being on Natural)


Neil - Question

In 2025 will you continue to follow this new Friday approach moving forwards?

Yes I will 100 per cent
It never came into my head to do it but it works fantastic
I won 4 of the clubs 5 races I sent to

Hello NeilA, please can I ask you what changes you made under Mike's guidance on the Friday, I need to change things in my approach next year & anything that's going to help would be beneficial to me in the future.
Regards Dave.

Hi mate
It was just a slight change to do with hydration
I think Mike would have to say as it wouldn’t be my place
Before i asked Mike I soak my corn overnight on Thursday so I feed it wet Friday morning your be surprised how much water it soaks up over night by Friday I can break it crush it between my thumb and finger

But Mike advised me on a other thing so I do both now

Thanks NeilA much appreciated.

NeilA wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:41 pm Hi mate
It was just a slight change to do with hydration
I think Mike would have to say as it wouldn’t be my place
Before i asked Mike I soak my corn overnight on Thursday so I feed it wet Friday morning your be surprised how much water it soaks up over night by Friday I can break it crush it between my thumb and finger

But Mike advised me on a other thing so I do both now

Cheers Neil

I think your over thinking things Andy
Just relax a bit Mikes a level above you or me and wants to help
He just likes people to improve he doesn’t understand why people keep homers as that’s not racing . In his area your methods would have you struggling
But if you don’t want the help then just say I’m happy seeing them come home there is no harm in that
We are not all the same but don’t think its personal as he isn’t like that he just has a drive to succeed
My mate is 86 I breed him 6 every year I tell him what to do but he never follows it and is behind but he’s happy in his way so that’s all that matters

Ok Andy
I can’t see it but obviously it’s something you can and i understand that
He may just be blunt and say what he thinks is poor management
I nearly did something the other week he told me no and to wait to Monday so
I did and he was right , he probably thought I was off my rocker for thinking of doing it
But that wasn’t him criticising me and I wouldn’t take it like that just been straight and avoiding me making a stupid error
The only thing I can remember him trying to get you to do is train just 10 miles 3/4 nights and I know you like your ways but it does work every good sprint loft has had this kind of system for ybs in my area they have for years I can only go short I an often letting go after 7pm but it’s never from more than 20 miles normally 17-18
I know you have your shop but I work at 745 - 5 then half hour either way travel
Plus I spend 3 -4 over nights at my mums as she can’t walk is partially blind and has severe kidney failure so I am like her care parson when my sister isn’t about . Sundays I’m there doing all her garden / dinner etc so I don’t have loads of time

He really was top level mate with his family and was in the elite level would love to see you source some fast pigeons and try his method just for 6-7 weeks in ybs next year . I believe the year after your 12 widowhood cocks would match the fanciers in your club through what installed in them
Best of luck with how you want to race though

Andy I understand that I had my business to I sold it in 2020 so totally get what it’s like it’s not normal working hours
I run that for 18 years before that I spent 8 years moving pretty much to a different music entertainment venture weekly and was away 5 days some weeks other times I could be away 10 days or if in London I was home each night .
So I do understand the working hours required

I didn't join the forum to make friends (I've plenty of those). I never joined to fall out with anyone either.

I joined because its pigeons and i'm passionate about pigeons.

You say I don't like you Andy. I find it hard to dislike somebody I don't know; but I will give my opinion on an issue if it pops up

I don't go out of my way to criticise your posts, we just have very different ways of keeping pigeons - simple as that

Everything I do is driven by results and performance nothing else matters to me

I don't care whether you think I'm a good fancier or not. I know I am and I've the results to back it up too

That's not arrogance, that's confidence in my subject matter





I could write scores of results, like on 5 occasions i've sent 1 bird and won the Federation

Post about scores of Club and Federation wins, RPRA Award winners, the hundreds of winners reported through my birds (to 1st National level)

I'm sure none of it makes one iota of difference to you - and that's cool by me because I neither want, need or seek your validation

I've guys like Jimmy Dutton and Gary Gordon (to name but two) who reach out to me asking for advice, opinion, guidance etc on pigeons

To me, these guys are absolutely top of the tree - two of the finest 0-250 miles men in the UK

So no, I don't want or need you to take on board anything that I say





Here's 1 example of the kind of person I am

A few years go a friend contacted me to tell me a friend of his had birds ill

I asked for pictures of droppings and videos

I got them, I then travelled nigh on 2 hours with a £60 unopened tub of medication and I gave it him

I'll help anybody I can

I know my way isn't the only way, and we all have different opinions





Take "King" for instance. He and I regularly lock horns - we have wildly different ideas about what turns us on in a pigeon

That's his perrogative though. I appreciate we're all different

But me, I have opinions and 99/100 I form those opinions based on real life scenarios where I've tried things and been successful (or not as the case might be)

How will you breed winners Andy
I’m interested not knocking you at all but winners are the left side of the pedigree
I have no skill at breeding winners if I can’t follow a winning line
How will you go about that