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Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:27 am
by CHARLTON34
Good information Neil cheers.

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:32 am
by CHARLTON34
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Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:51 pm
by CHARLTON34
MIke Lycett wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:16 pm When I was breeding Dave I can't say I used it in the drinker, but certainly the birds had access to it via the bath water

Pigeons happily drink the Virkon.. I always monitored them closely.
Think it will be part of my system from what I've seen in just a couple of days, I've not used it in the bath water yet so will see what difference it has on the feathering.

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:46 am
by Steve Howells
NeilA wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:37 am Would the Amprolum part of regular system Steve in order to deal with cocci as you described or just when you notice an increased cocci level

If it was freely available like in the past
You can still get Amprolum in fact Harkers coxoid is Amprolum. Years go they used to add it to growers pellets. Must have been 40 odd years ago now, one season I feed 50% of these pellets and had my first good years racing winning a few 1sts. Thing I’ve found with coccidiosis you can’t eradicate it, it’s not like worms. Even after using Baycox there’s still been a low count, the count can even change during the day. Traditional disinfectants won’t kill the oocysts so re infection is a certainty. I’ve often thought of using Aprollum at half dose daily for the racing season to see what would happen. Presently I’ll only treat if there’s a sustained increase over several day, (don’t waste your money on the one treatment tablets they have little effect).keeping the loft dry is a big factor.

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:02 am
by justalad982
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:46 am
NeilA wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:37 am Would the Amprolum part of regular system Steve in order to deal with cocci as you described or just when you notice an increased cocci level

If it was freely available like in the past
You can still get Amprolum in fact Harkers coxoid is Amprolum. Years go they used to add it to growers pellets. Must have been 40 odd years ago now, one season I feed 50% of these pellets and had my first good years racing winning a few 1sts. Thing I’ve found with coccidiosis you can’t eradicate it, it’s not like worms. Even after using Baycox there’s still been a low count, the count can even change during the day. Traditional disinfectants won’t kill the oocysts so re infection is a certainty. I’ve often thought of using Aprollum at half dose daily for the racing season to see what would happen. Presently I’ll only treat if there’s a sustained increase over several day, (don’t waste your money on the one treatment tablets they have little effect).keeping the loft dry is a big factor.
Hi Steve and all members...this is my ist posting on site although i look in every day...re amprolium my ist time using this product was back in 1980 if memory serves me right after a visit to a vets just outside of blackpool ...he took a smear of one of the eyes of my bird by placing the glass slide direct on the eye result cocci and prescribed amprolium for thirty days....yes thirty days it was the consistency of fairy liquid one cap full to a drinker and did a good job although long winded...so always after that thought the few days treatment was maybe just a regulator ....dont remember it being added to corn but you may be mixing it up with emtryl that was in pellets for chickens ....alan

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:05 pm
by Steve Howells
justalad982 wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:02 am
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:46 am
NeilA wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:37 am Would the Amprolum part of regular system Steve in order to deal with cocci as you described or just when you notice an increased cocci level

If it was freely available like in the past
You can still get Amprolum in fact Harkers coxoid is Amprolum. Years go they used to add it to growers pellets. Must have been 40 odd years ago now, one season I feed 50% of these pellets and had my first good years racing winning a few 1sts. Thing I’ve found with coccidiosis you can’t eradicate it, it’s not like worms. Even after using Baycox there’s still been a low count, the count can even change during the day. Traditional disinfectants won’t kill the oocysts so re infection is a certainty. I’ve often thought of using Aprollum at half dose daily for the racing season to see what would happen. Presently I’ll only treat if there’s a sustained increase over several day, (don’t waste your money on the one treatment tablets they have little effect).keeping the loft dry is a big factor.
Hi Steve and all members...this is my ist posting on site although i look in every day...re amprolium my ist time using this product was back in 1980 if memory serves me right after a visit to a vets just outside of blackpool ...he took a smear of one of the eyes of my bird by placing the glass slide direct on the eye result cocci and prescribed amprolium for thirty days....yes thirty days it was the consistency of fairy liquid one cap full to a drinker and did a good job although long winded...so always after that thought the few days treatment was maybe just a regulator ....dont remember it being added to corn but you may be mixing it up with emtryl that was in pellets for chickens ....alan
Hi Alan
Thanks for the replying it was definitely Amprolium added to the pellets. Did they used to add emtril to turkey pellets for black spot?

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:40 am
by justalad982
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:05 pm
justalad982 wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:02 am
Steve Howells wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:46 am

You can still get Amprolum in fact Harkers coxoid is Amprolum. Years go they used to add it to growers pellets. Must have been 40 odd years ago now, one season I feed 50% of these pellets and had my first good years racing winning a few 1sts. Thing I’ve found with coccidiosis you can’t eradicate it, it’s not like worms. Even after using Baycox there’s still been a low count, the count can even change during the day. Traditional disinfectants won’t kill the oocysts so re infection is a certainty. I’ve often thought of using Aprollum at half dose daily for the racing season to see what would happen. Presently I’ll only treat if there’s a sustained increase over several day, (don’t waste your money on the one treatment tablets they have little effect).keeping the loft dry is a big factor.
Hi Steve and all members...this is my ist posting on site although i look in every day...re amprolium my ist time using this product was back in 1980 if memory serves me right after a visit to a vets just outside of blackpool ...he took a smear of one of the eyes of my bird by placing the glass slide direct on the eye result cocci and prescribed amprolium for thirty days....yes thirty days it was the consistency of fairy liquid one cap full to a drinker and did a good job although long winded...so always after that thought the few days treatment was maybe just a regulator ....dont remember it being added to corn but you may be mixing it up with emtryl that was in pellets for chickens ....alan
Hi Alan
Thanks for the replying it was definitely Amprolium added to the pellets. Did they used to add emtril to turkey pellets for black spot?
Yes Steve it was for black spot....they stopped adding stuff some time back...

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:04 pm
by CHARLTON34
If member's use Vircon in the bath water have you noticed any difference in the pigeons feathers or not.

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:21 pm
by CHARLTON34
I only tried it in the bath water this morning so not really sure, maybe after I've used it a few times then I can gauge if they feel handle different .

Re: Ways to reduce need for antibiotics

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:55 pm
by king
CHARLTON34 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:21 pm I only tried it in the bath water this morning so not really sure, maybe after I've used it a few times then I can gauge if they feel handle different .
A pigeon will handle worse for having a bath as you are washing it's bloom off. Nothing you can add to the bath will make it handle better. You can't change a birds feather type. It's either course or silky. If it's course 'natural' condition will improve it, but not to the extent of making silky. Natural silky feathered birds will always handle better than a course feathered one.