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Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:50 pm
by NeilA
When my cocks is are really right and I train they don’t circle they scare me as there low just above head height when there not right they circle 2/3 times I notice
I remember year before last I had never seen them leave the lib point so fast about 15 feet off the floor I let 11 go
I had 7 drop to win the fed on the Saturday so would that not work at a race point
I have a pal that use to convoy a 6 bird club and a fed the 6 bird is the money races he tells me it’s remarkable the difference in the speed of the two libs I imagine the cream is in the 6 bird
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:58 pm
by MIL
This is taken from the "Littlehampton" thread that I wrote some months ago
So tell me - where did the 24 YB of Gordon Bros decimate the Combine on that day?
Cos it wasn't at the home end I can tell you that!
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:02 pm
by MIL
NeilA wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:50 pm
When my cocks is are really right and I train they don’t circle they scare me as there low just above head height when there not right they circle 2/3 times I notice
I remember year before last I had never seen them leave the lib point so fast about 15 feet off the floor I let 11 go
I had 7 drop to win the fed on the Saturday so would that not work at a race point
I have a pal that use to convoy a 6 bird club and a fed the 6 bird is the money races he tells me it’s remarkable the difference in the speed of the two libs I imagine the cream is in the 6 bird
In my opinion if birds are not clearing the liberation site instantly then their heads are not right and I'd be treating them
Cos I tell you mine would clear without looking sideways and if yours circle 3-4 times I'm the best part of a mile up the road and you aint gonna catch that up without help from a BoP
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:03 pm
by king
MIL wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:20 pm
I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)
For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear
My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear
I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts
Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you
I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:08 pm
by king
MIL wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:02 pm
NeilA wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:50 pm
When my cocks is are really right and I train they don’t circle they scare me as there low just above head height when there not right they circle 2/3 times I notice
I remember year before last I had never seen them leave the lib point so fast about 15 feet off the floor I let 11 go
I had 7 drop to win the fed on the Saturday so would that not work at a race point
I have a pal that use to convoy a 6 bird club and a fed the 6 bird is the money races he tells me it’s remarkable the difference in the speed of the two libs I imagine the cream is in the 6 bird
In my opinion if birds are not clearing the liberation site instantly then their heads are not right and I'd be treating them
Cos I tell you mine would clear without looking sideways and if yours circle 3-4 times I'm the best part of a mile up the road and you aint gonna catch that up without help from a BoP
How would you know this Mike?
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:12 pm
by NeilA
king wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:03 pm
MIL wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:20 pm
I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)
For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear
My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear
I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts
Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you
I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
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Was it 10 min clear in the fed king ? What kind of vels
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:15 pm
by MIL
king wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:03 pm
MIL wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:20 pm
I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)
For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear
My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear
I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts
Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you
I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
Not a Fed race though King - you refer to a club win
If the birds are good they should repeat the performance to a certain degree time and time again
"Lee" had other great efforts including 2nd Fed beat on a decimal (the first 2 were again 3 min clear)
As for Pitbull Queen she had a list as long as your arm
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:17 pm
by king
NeilA wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:12 pm
king wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:03 pm
MIL wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:20 pm
I could give you loads of examples of sprint races being won by a large margin to my own loft (at Fed level)
For instance my cock "Lee" won the Fed by almost 5 min from 140 miles. He was literally miles clear
My Pitbull Queen won the NMCC from Portland by almost 5 mins - again miles clear
I can also give you numerous examples at other lofts
Just let me know if you want them - not documented them at this moment 'cos I wouldn't wanna bore you
I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
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Was it 10 min clear in the fed king ? What kind of vels
No it finished 3rd Fed 1600s
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:17 pm
by MIL
king wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:08 pm
How would you know this Mike?
I practice what I preach King
I'm a 2 x West Midlands Region Sprint Champion in the 0-250 miles category and in 2005 I was 2nd National Ace Sprint Champion of the UK
People can liker or loathe me (it doesn't keep me awake at night) but I know sprinting
Re: The thing is about the sport.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:20 pm
by NeilA
king wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:17 pm
NeilA wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:12 pm
king wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:03 pm
I too have won by a clear 10 mins inland and so have many others Mike, but NOBODY knows when that bird broke clear? What is fact that birds fly faster in a flock, so somewhere on route these breakaway winners leave the pack they are racing with and head for home. And since a fancier can only see the end of the race he is only guessing when or where his winner LEFT the flock. It it very unlikely that it's at the race p[oint as a single bird could not possibly fly quicker the whole way home than the racing pack and still be mins in front of them?
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Was it 10 min clear in the fed king ? What kind of vels
No it finished 3rd Fed 1600s
That’s not 10 min clear though, king still did well but it didn’t win by 10 mins