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Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:19 am

NeilA wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:06 am

Andy wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:50 am We used to race youngsters over 200 miles on natural. Rennes on South, Selby on North. Bald and well up in the flights. Never had a problem getting them.
The Plymouth lads have a winter program where they have a few races during October/November with youngsters on their last couple of flights. They have good racing.

It’s not that Andy I will get them as the have just had 4 head winds so no issue there but when there moulting heavy they fly slower I never want pigeons flying slow unless forced to by a head wind I prefer them to be in the leading groups
It’s that not wanting to turn racers into homers theory of mine

Your thoughts and ideas are so different from mine. I’m certainly not saying you’re wrong as it’s the way you feel and works for you. You’ve done very well.
But I don’t think that you can change a pigeon from a racer to a homer or from a leader to a follower. The only way a pigeon will change from a racer to a homer is by it being demoralised either by being constantly chased by BOPs or losing that love of home.
Racing and training down here is obviously so much different than where you are. I wouldn’t get away with the way you train after work. We would have birds out overnight. One of my club mates has taken my 5 along with 65+ of his twice this week to 27 miles. He has let them go in 3 groups each time. On Tuesday the second group beat the first group back with the first group being well split and my best youngster taking over an hour and a half. On Thursday he said the first 2 groups cleared straight away. The third group just kept going round with one pigeon seeming to turn them all. Mine were in the third group. I had 3 together but the last one being my first bird from the last race took two and a half hours. He was missing 14 from the first 2 groups when he got home but all the third group were home bar 2. The first 2 groups had all been raced and he did get them all in the end with the last one turning up at 7.45. Nearly 4 hours later.

Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:19 am

NeilA wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:06 am

Andy wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:50 am We used to race youngsters over 200 miles on natural. Rennes on South, Selby on North. Bald and well up in the flights. Never had a problem getting them.
The Plymouth lads have a winter program where they have a few races during October/November with youngsters on their last couple of flights. They have good racing.

It’s not that Andy I will get them as the have just had 4 head winds so no issue there but when there moulting heavy they fly slower I never want pigeons flying slow unless forced to by a head wind I prefer them to be in the leading groups
It’s that not wanting to turn racers into homers theory of mine

Your thoughts and ideas are so different from mine. I’m certainly not saying you’re wrong as it’s the way you feel and works for you. You’ve done very well.
But I don’t think that you can change a pigeon from a racer to a homer or from a leader to a follower. The only way a pigeon will change from a racer to a homer is by it being demoralised either by being constantly chased by BOPs or losing that love of home.
Racing and training down here is obviously so much different than where you are. I wouldn’t get away with the way you train after work. We would have birds out overnight. One of my club mates has taken my 5 along with 65+ of his twice this week to 27 miles. He has let them go in 3 groups each time. On Tuesday the second group beat the first group back with the first group being well split and my best youngster taking over an hour and a half. On Thursday he said the first 2 groups cleared straight away. The third group just kept going round with one pigeon seeming to turn them all. Mine were in the third group. I had 3 together but the last one being my first bird from the last race took two and a half hours. He was missing 14 from the first 2 groups when he got home but all the third group were home bar 2. The first 2 groups had all been raced and he did get them all in the end with the last one turning up at 7.45. Nearly 4 hours later.

Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:17 pm Our club will most probably take the first 20 positions in the combine today. The combine would have had around 75 members sending around 2,000 pigeons. The winning pigeon with a velocity of 1673 was missing for 5 weeks from a trainer before the first race. Had only had a ETS ring put on on Thursday and was having its first race with 2 training tosses.

Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:54 pm Oh good on you. Pat yourself on the back, that’s what you seem to want everyone else to do. I’m in a club with multi national winners who’s ideas are different to yours and I know who I would rather listen too.

Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:54 pm Oh good on you. Pat yourself on the back, that’s what you seem to want everyone else to do. I’m in a club with multi national winners who’s ideas are different to yours and I know who I would rather listen too.

worm wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:22 pm

Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:17 pm Our club will most probably take the first 20 positions in the combine today. The combine would have had around 75 members sending around 2,000 pigeons. The winning pigeon with a velocity of 1673 was missing for 5 weeks from a trainer before the first race. Had only had a ETS ring put on on Thursday and was having its first race with 2 training tosses.

Andy wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:54 pm Oh good on you. Pat yourself on the back, that’s what you seem to want everyone else to do. I’m in a club with multi national winners who’s ideas are different to yours and I know who I would rather listen too.

what's wrong here then what's that about no need Mike is a wealth of knowledge and not trying to teach you to suck eggs but sounds like you don't want to know

Murray wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:18 am I've sat and witched this thread for a couple of days, very interesting the different ways of looking at it.
My view is other than being born with a homing instinct, pigeons are born pretty much a blank sheet. A good routine at home and plenty of education can turn them into pigeons that leave the liberation in the front bunch and can break away.
In other words, winners.
A casual approach, with random training can turn them into followers, or pigeons that fly in the drag. Once that pattern is fixed, I have doubts that it is changed.
Looking at the results of races the same names appear at the top week after week and season after season. That indicates to me that they are doing something different.
And better.