Paratyphoid

[Steve Howells]

When I was racing I never ever treated for Paratyphoid

A friend messaged me this morning, and he's never treated for it before either - but is now considering it

What's people's thoughts on the positives/negatives of this?

Is it possible to have carriers and it never break out to a full blown issue in the loft or if you have carriers does it always come out in the team
I mean could say someone have 10 carriers but no visible problems so they would still be racing but maybe just behind each week

From my experience with it I think it unlikely you’d have carries but go the year round with no symptoms. It’s such an insidious disease, even in an outbreak the majority of birds seem ok it just works its way through them slowly. When I had it in the Autumn of ( 88 I think) they recovered and looked fine. The following breeding season not 1 single youngster from the 8 pairs survived.

[Anthony webster]

I treat each year after moult sometimes use vaccine afterwards or paracontrol boost
It's my worse fear in pigeons.

What would you use to treat bind with I have only use the Belgica product parastop mostly
I did try a liquid one last year but I can’t remember the brand now

Never know if it’s any good though

1 Yr parastop 10 days
Following Yr 5 days baytril next 5 days baytril and amoxicillan mixed together.

[Anthony webster]

I believe there's carriers and brew willow bark tea up put birds on it 5 days you see carriers after 2 days way they hold there wings ,,also vaccination with samo pt anything still with head in shoulders 24 hours later 100 percent carrier and wants removing ,,also birds standing on 1 foot and then they get a flight grow like a Xmas tree at top 100 percent parathyroid carriers there everywhere and raced all season drinking with these birds I make sure my team are kept right for following year ,,

[CHARLTON34]

Would I be right in saying this is one of the biggest problems encountered by pigeon fancier's. Mixed in race baskets & contact with lots of transferable diseases by water, food, all standing in waste droppings etc, can't be good maybe this is a silent killer of lost form in racing pigeons today undetectable with carriers on transporter, just my opinion.
Mine have had Salgen vaccine they have had 2 doses earlier just to try to build up some resistance/ antibodies, more peace of mind that I've tried to be proactive.

[king]

Either your birds have Paratyphoid or they don't.

Pre treating BEFORE vaccination will clear them ready for vaccination. Just pre-treating will do NOTHING to prevent Paratyphoid infection.

Once vaccinated they birds CAN still catch Paratyphoid, as vaccines ONLY help infected birds recover.

[Anthony webster]

Either your birds have Paratyphoid or they don't.

Pre treating BEFORE vaccination will clear them ready for vaccination. Just pre-treating will do NOTHING to prevent Paratyphoid infection.

Once vaccinated they birds CAN still catch Paratyphoid, as vaccines ONLY help infected birds recover.

I disagree massively with you

[Anthony webster]

Could you expand please Tony?

I’m a virgin with Paratyphoid

Hence why i started the topic

The vets say every loft as there carriers ,
My dad borrowed a hen was healthy in its own environment put in my dad's loft all he's got parathyroid yet this one looked OK then we found out that the man had parathyroid n streptococci previously years before so I won't take risks ever ,,iv bought birds in I gey gut instinct no matter cost there in ferret box ,,lads laugh come here u see the ferret main diet is pigeon
I ain't attached to pigeons there here to race ,
I see these lofts they say they never treat n never do this but they keep pigeons for years and do same thing Yr in Yr same results there birds go in other lofts do exactly same look good don't get sick but win very little,
My opinion find the snipers in the flock with parathyroid n cull them out straight away not keep them because they look ok n act ok .

[Anthony webster]

Think the vet on topic explains it but most ignore it because it's against there belief and personally think there frightened of out come sometimes .

[king]

Either your birds have Paratyphoid or they don't.

Pre treating BEFORE vaccination will clear them ready for vaccination. Just pre-treating will do NOTHING to prevent Paratyphoid infection.

Once vaccinated they birds CAN still catch Paratyphoid, as vaccines ONLY help infected birds recover.

I disagree massively with you

Ant if your birds DON'T have Paratyphoid, What is it that you are treating the birds for? You CAN'T treat for something the birds DON'T have.

[Anthony webster]

Either your birds have Paratyphoid or they don't.

Pre treating BEFORE vaccination will clear them ready for vaccination. Just pre-treating will do NOTHING to prevent Paratyphoid infection.

Once vaccinated they birds CAN still catch Paratyphoid, as vaccines ONLY help infected birds recover.

I disagree massively with you

Ant if your birds DON'T have Paratyphoid, What is it that you are treating the birds for? You CAN'T treat for something the birds DON'T have.

If you listen to vet by treating your keeping the parathyroid at a level .