The history of some breeding

[king]

Yes Buster I understand in your loft that's the case, & you haven't brought anything in., but with respect to you I'd say there isn't a pigeon today that they've all been mixed up along the way.
Van Den Bulck has brought in pigeons from other sources, Joss Cools for example, Van Den Brandes bros so it's a blend & other lofts have done the same, you look at Lee & Tony Painter again they source pigeons from the UK & Belgium as does Gordon bros Northern Ireland. I think with these lofts they are investing in more speed into there pigeons to stay at the top of what they do jmo.

Your right most are all mixed up. Many have teams that are CHANGING EVERY YEAR, within a few years, bloodlines of many have completely disappeared replaced by new lines.
How far back can most trace their birds too? Brian Denney could trace his family of birds back to 1908 (he bought in just six crosses, and didn't breed off them until proven).
My own can be traced back to a pair of Blacks bought in 1950. (half of my birds are still Black)

[Diamond Dave]

Does he race them to their full potential. Was just wondering how long he has had them and whether they would be totally inbred.
Does he do well with them Steve?

He used to do ok yes, stopped racing and had a sale leaving him with about 20, these have bred since, the bop have took a fair few he now has about 12 left, had them for absolute years and would think very inbred

Shame for him Steve, as the vid shows they were fantastic birds perhaps 20 or 30 years ago. I can't remember the name of the strain that took over being fashionable at the distance but I do remember it bring another imported strain.
I remember myself opting for the Ko nipius birds which I could never seem to get beyond thr yearling stage but that was likely my fault not the birds.

[king]

Does he race them to their full potential. Was just wondering how long he has had them and whether they would be totally inbred.
Does he do well with them Steve?

He used to do ok yes, stopped racing and had a sale leaving him with about 20, these have bred since, the bop have took a fair few he now has about 12 left, had them for absolute years and would think very inbred

Shame for him Steve, as the vid shows they were fantastic birds perhaps 20 or 30 years ago. I can't remember the name of the strain that took over being fashionable at the distance but I do remember it bring another imported strain.
I remember myself opting for the Ko nipius birds which I could never seem to get beyond thr yearling stage but that was likely my fault not the birds.

I don't think your alone Dave, I know several Top fanciers who brought in the Ko Nipius/Jan Aarden birds and failed with them. One household name was given a FULL round for FREE from LPW (off their top birds) in the hope to test them. This fancier just got 1 or 2 birds to perform well enough to breed off.

[Diamond Dave]

Oh wow king, I didnt know that. However, I think most of it was me.lol
I bought a pair from the Scottish guy that kept them from Frazerborough ( name slipped my mind) and If I remember correctly, I got them from the old comrades show the last time it was at Birmingham but can't remember that for sure either. Suffering short term memory loss - must be an age thing..... now what did I come upstairs for ......???

[king]

Oh wow king, I didnt know that. However, I think most of it was me.lol
I bought a pair from the Scottish guy that kept them from Frazerborough ( name slipped my mind) and If I remember correctly, I got them from the old comrades show the last time it was at Birmingham but can't remember that for sure either. Suffering short term memory loss - must be an age thing..... now what did I come upstairs for ......???

Bob McDonald, I personally always thought Wilson Noble was the best fancier in Fraserburgh.

[Diamond Dave]

Aaah thanks for that King.
I have also remembered the name of the fashionable imported strain of birds that took over from the Stichelbauts too - short term memory loss - long term recovery lol..... they were the Krauths. Do you know anyone who was successf9lul with them.

Or Buster - do you know anyone who still has them.?

[Murray]

You guys are all 100% correct.
There are few 'pure' strains anymore and if there were you wouldn't want them. They'd be so inbred they would have stopped improving years ago.

After the successes of the last couple of years, my mate Terry tells me that there are blokes who are very keen to get pigeons from my 'strain'.
What strain? My pigeons are like a lucky dip!
The three pigeons that got the trifecta in the Ballarat race are out of three different pairs. Totally unrelated. All they have in common is they are very good pigeons.

I'm a great believer in pedigrees. Especially the present generation and it's parents. Like, did this go fast enough to win a race? Have it's parents left winners? After that it gets a bit vague quite quickly, I think.

[Buster121]

Aaah thanks for that King.
I have also remembered the name of the fashionable imported strain of birds that took over from the Stichelbauts too - short term memory loss - long term recovery lol..... they were the Krauths. Do you know anyone who was successf9lul with them.

Or Buster - do you know anyone who still has them.?

No Dave sorry

[Buster121]

Oh wow king, I didnt know that. However, I think most of it was me.lol
I bought a pair from the Scottish guy that kept them from Frazerborough ( name slipped my mind) and If I remember correctly, I got them from the old comrades show the last time it was at Birmingham but can't remember that for sure either. Suffering short term memory loss - must be an age thing..... now what did I come upstairs for ......???

Bob McDonald, I personally always thought Wilson Noble was the best fancier in Fraserburgh.

I seem to remember Walter Boswell from Scotland did very well with LPW birds

[Diamond Dave]

Yes Buster, I think a lot of ppl did well with LPw birds back in the day. Probably when racing was at its peak.
I'd say their birds represented good value for money and they were pitched at working man's prices.
Never done the kits of 6/12 etc but did buy 2 hens from them very cheap when I had 2 spare cocks about 15 years ago.
The stud is only maybe 30 miles from me and I wanted to go have a look anyway
I was well impressed with the set up, the grounds and moreso the service they provided.
Are they still going......?