AI in pigeons.

[Diamond Dave]

After seeing many things that AI can do - or rather seeing that there is nothing it can't do, how long do members think it will be before someone will be using it to falsify results......

[CHARLTON34]

Hello Dave, after the Eamon Kelly thing things should of been implemented back then to stop this kind of thing happening.
With AI I'm not really sure what clubs, NFC, BICC would counteract the possibility of something happening again or what fall safes they would need to employ to have everything covered. If money is involved you know the score someone is going to try to beat the system, Kelly's pigeons never flew that race they were still in his loft .A different lot of pigeons had already been put into the race basket's without any check from the marking team & that's how he beat the system until he was caught out. If I've not got this right then I apologise & stand corrected.

[Bowbroom]

If the rules were followed to the letter the Kelly incident could not have happened

[CHARLTON34]

Why would anyone think that it's the correct procedure at the marking station that he'd put his own pigeons through & nobody of the marking team questioned this as they were already in the race basket's before anyone hard got to the marking station. As for AI it's probably going to help in many ways, we just got to hope that it's used appropriately & not for people to manipulate for financial ganes.

[Diamond Dave]

Hey BB hope you're well.
If there's a loophole it's guaranteed that someone will find it.
I suspect there are a few Kelly's out there. If any of them are AI savvy we wouldn't even know they were cheating because it is that good - I very much doubt that the RPRA have even thought about the potential threat but then I don't spose any of the national organisations would have either.
I guess the issue would be that someone would need to be familiar with it to know what to look for.
Maybe Winfort might know whether or not it could be a threat. If he's looking in to this thread.

[Winfort Lofts]

I guess the issue would be that someone would need to be familiar with it to know what to look for.
Maybe Winfort might know whether or not it could be a threat. If he's looking in to this thread.

My ears must have been burning!

It's an interesting debate and I did decide to have a think about it properly before I responded blindly!

I would say in it's currently form (Ai) it's relatively speaking not a risk.

It could be in theory be used as an analysis tool, used for predicting when birds are due home, and then other methods of cheating would come into play.

In reality the risks are pretty low, and providing processes at marking are followed correctly, then it should all be Gucci!

For now at least Ai is a long way from Hollywood perfection!

[Bowbroom]

Why would anyone think that it's the correct procedure at the marking station that he'd put his own pigeons through & nobody of the marking team questioned this as they were already in the race basket's before anyone hard got to the marking station. As for AI it's probably going to help in many ways, we just got to hope that it's used appropriately & not for people to manipulate for financial ganes.

Precisely the rules weren’t adhered to AI poses no bigger threat than those that currently exist twisting has been going on for years and will continue that’s why the rules must be followed

[Diamond Dave]

Brilliant analysis Winfort that's expelled any myths for me any way. However things move along very quickly in that field so who knows about the future.
I knew you would be the one to ask, thanks for that.