Flights

[worm]

I've read about this cutting v's in feathers before and believe it to a old wives tale. Can somebody who believes in it, explain how a fully developed feather, which are dead structures when cut effect how the bird moults?

I did wonder that aswell as their is no connection to nerves blood flow ect

[Anthony webster]

I was taught if u nip the top of a flight he won't cast it until the other flight is fully grown its nature's way of telling bird not to have a big gap in wing ,I see fanciers who race in winter in other countries they put lights on 24,7 when first flight is cast they cut tip of 6th when 2nd is cast they pull 6th n cut tip on 7th flight this way they have a baby with a full adult wing 2 months before racing starts .
The little v is normally after a pulled feather iv noticed.

[king]

I've read about this cutting v's in feathers before and believe it to a old wives tale. Can somebody who believes in it, explain how a fully developed feather, which are dead structures when cut effect how the bird moults?

I thought the bird naturally won’t throw the next if it damaged to the previous is high up in nature

I've seen fanciers cut birds down for droppers, and once they start moult (drop their first flight) they STILL continue to go though the moult as normal despite having damaged lights. If a bird breaks a flight it STILL continues the moult as normal?
Since this v is so small and the bird CANNOT feel the damage how can it stop the moult?

I believe as others have said by fooling the bird either by daylight or pairing later CAN stop the moult starting, but once started I've only know illness or stress will actually STOP it. A healthy bird won't stop moulting, in fact very healthy birds sometimes drop 2 flights as has already been said.

[king]

I thought the bird naturally won’t throw the next if it damaged to the previous is high up in nature

I've seen fanciers cut birds down for droppers, and once they start moult (drop their first flight) they STILL continue to go though the moult as normal despite having damaged lights. If a bird breaks a flight it STILL continues the moult as normal?
Since this v is so small and the bird CANNOT feel the damage how can it stop the moult?

I believe as others have said by fooling the bird either by daylight or pairing later CAN stop the moult starting, but once started I've only know illness or stress will actually STOP it. A healthy bird won't stop moulting, in fact very healthy birds sometimes drop 2 flights as has already been said.

Wonder why so many do it then King you would have thought people like Gaby Vandenbeele would have done it once seen like you say that it didn’t work then never have done it again
Very odd ,behaviour

Beats me Neil. From the pictures I've seen of birds that have had done it's ALWAYS done on the FIRST flight BEFORE the bird has started moulting. If it does work why don't fancier do it with YBs?

[king]

Like Goose clocked on to earlier, many of the best Belgium fliers give their birds this little "nick" in the wing

One thing I do know is that Freddy and Jacques Vandenheede have no equals when it comes to National Racing in Belgium

Their record surpasses the best lofts.

They aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge"

I'm a realist not an idealist

Thanks for that Mike. Nobody is saying they aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge". Many fanciers actually believe in things other fanciers don't, that's part of the sport. Winning fanciers should do what they believe in.
The QUESTION asked is 'HOW' does it actually work? Maybe you could ask these fanciers to explain how it works when logic points to it not working?

[goose1]

Like Goose clocked on to earlier, many of the best Belgium fliers give their birds this little "nick" in the wing

One thing I do know is that Freddy and Jacques Vandenheede have no equals when it comes to National Racing in Belgium

Their record surpasses the best lofts.

They aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge"

I'm a realist not an idealist

Thanks for that Mike. Nobody is saying they aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge". Many fanciers actually believe in things other fanciers don't, that's part of the sport. Winning fanciers should do what they believe in.
The QUESTION asked is 'HOW' does it actually work? Maybe you could ask these fanciers to explain how it works when logic points to it not working?

I couldn't give a toss HOW it works I know it does. I've used it in the past. It works. Knowing how it works ain't gonna gain me anything the fact that it does work will. Haven't used it very often. Haven't needed to but if I knew a pigeon was gonna be too far gone in the wing for the race I wanted it for I'd use it again in an instant. The person who first told me was a top top class pigeon fancier and man. When them guys give you a tip you don't ask questions because you know it works. Same with the top lads in Belgium and Holland their doing it because it works. You can question it all day long but them lads results would tell me they know the time of day.

[king]

Like Goose clocked on to earlier, many of the best Belgium fliers give their birds this little "nick" in the wing

One thing I do know is that Freddy and Jacques Vandenheede have no equals when it comes to National Racing in Belgium

Their record surpasses the best lofts.

They aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge"

I'm a realist not an idealist

Thanks for that Mike. Nobody is saying they aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge". Many fanciers actually believe in things other fanciers don't, that's part of the sport. Winning fanciers should do what they believe in.
The QUESTION asked is 'HOW' does it actually work? Maybe you could ask these fanciers to explain how it works when logic points to it not working?

I couldn't give a toss HOW it works I know it does. I've used it in the past. It works. Knowing how it works ain't gonna gain me anything the fact that it does work will. Haven't used it very often. Haven't needed to but if I knew a pigeon was gonna be too far gone in the wing for the race I wanted it for I'd use it again in an instant. The person who first told me was a top top class pigeon fancier and man. When them guys give you a tip you don't ask questions because you know it works. Same with the top lads in Belgium and Holland their doing it because it works. You can question it all day long but them lads results would tell me they know the time of day.

You sound annoyed that I dare question it?

[goose1]

Thanks for that Mike. Nobody is saying they aren't giving their birds this "nick" for fun - they're doing it cos they believe it contributes to giving them "an edge". Many fanciers actually believe in things other fanciers don't, that's part of the sport. Winning fanciers should do what they believe in.
The QUESTION asked is 'HOW' does it actually work? Maybe you could ask these fanciers to explain how it works when logic points to it not working?

I couldn't give a toss HOW it works I know it does. I've used it in the past. It works. Knowing how it works ain't gonna gain me anything the fact that it does work will. Haven't used it very often. Haven't needed to but if I knew a pigeon was gonna be too far gone in the wing for the race I wanted it for I'd use it again in an instant. The person who first told me was a top top class pigeon fancier and man. When them guys give you a tip you don't ask questions because you know it works. Same with the top lads in Belgium and Holland their doing it because it works. You can question it all day long but them lads results would tell me they know the time of day.

You sound annoyed that I dare question it?

Not at all king I've known you on these forums long enough now to know how you are. All I'm saying is it works. And unless your the top dog at racing pigeons the fact that various top lofts throughout Europe use it would be enough for me personally not to question it but to put it to the test but that's just maybe me.

[goose1]

I've seen fanciers cut birds down for droppers, and once they start moult (drop their first flight) they STILL continue to go though the moult as normal despite having damaged lights. If a bird breaks a flight it STILL continues the moult as normal?
Since this v is so small and the bird CANNOT feel the damage how can it stop the moult?

I believe as others have said by fooling the bird either by daylight or pairing later CAN stop the moult starting, but once started I've only know illness or stress will actually STOP it. A healthy bird won't stop moulting, in fact very healthy birds sometimes drop 2 flights as has already been said.

Wonder why so many do it then King you would have thought people like Gaby Vandenbeele would have done it once seen like you say that it didn’t work then never have done it again
Very odd ,behaviour

Beats me Neil. From the pictures I've seen of birds that have had done it's ALWAYS done on the FIRST flight BEFORE the bird has started moulting. If it does work why don't fancier do it with YBs?

Now see me personally I wouldn't do the first flight. I'd wait until the first flight is thrown then clip the 2nd if I felt the need to of course I wouldn't do it for doing sake and never have. The few times I've done it would be if I notice a pigeon has started the wing moult much ealier than I'd have liked it to. The v will typically slow the throwing of that flight by around 2 weeks and you can continue this flight on flight if you wish. But me personally I would always allow the first flight to be thrown naturally then slow the process by using the v.