Maize and wheat over winter

[Matthew d]

Does anyone use maize or wheat over winter or any other time,I was told barley is sprayed with acid is that true and was told if you leave the sprayed barley for a while it's ok

[Johnbee]

Always use fresh wheat and barley direct from farm. Was also told both are great to help birds the through the moult. After moult stopped wheat and then added extra barley.

[Anthony webster]

I use to put 20 percent new wheat in moult food but had to be plump golden wheat that tiny stuff with black marks I wouldn't touch ,,I use 50 percent barley in moult after moult until 7 days before racing there on 80 percent barley,,they don't get race food until week before racing,,

[Anthony webster]

This is top maize full of sugar but there's still 50 percent waste because out side does nothing
So when buying a mix check the maize because a lot of maize ain't like this and 80 percent of the maize is hard shell so if ya mix is say 20 percent maize ya birds are actually receiving about 4 percent that helps them plus that's 4kg of food in bag and over 3kg of it is doing nothing for the bird ok lads.

[king]

That's not entirely right Ant. The white is starch not sugar. The rest is not waste but provides around 11% protein and 4% fats plus Fiber, Vitamins and Minerals:

[Anthony webster]

That's not entirely right Ant. The white is starch not sugar. The rest is not waste but provides around 11% protein and 4% fats plus Fiber, Vitamins and Minerals:

Is the starch the carb content in it king that turns to energy,,so when u get poor maize with hardly any starch in it is basically doing similar to a pea or a bean give or take a few percent in protein,,I personally don't look at maize for protein or fibre ,I want carbs out of maize
Fibre from barley or paddy rice n protein from hemp or sunflower.

[Anthony webster]

That's not entirely right Ant. The white is starch not sugar. The rest is not waste but provides around 11% protein and 4% fats plus Fiber, Vitamins and Minerals:

That’s interesting king
I thought they passed the shell in the dropping as waste matter so always thought I need the white chalk starch in the kernal
I’m guessing the shell provides carbs then ?

I was told same as you Neil from South African flyer who feeds nearly all maize because there it's easy to obtain over mixes.

[king]

That's not entirely right Ant. The white is starch not sugar. The rest is not waste but provides around 11% protein and 4% fats plus Fiber, Vitamins and Minerals:

That’s interesting king
I thought they passed the shell in the dropping as waste matter so always thought I need the white chalk starch in the kernal
I’m guessing the shell provides carbs then ?

No Neil it's the maize starch that is the carbohydrate part. The body turns the starch into sugars

[king]

That's not entirely right Ant. The white is starch not sugar. The rest is not waste but provides around 11% protein and 4% fats plus Fiber, Vitamins and Minerals:

Is the starch the carb content in it king that turns to energy,,so when u get poor maize with hardly any starch in it is basically doing similar to a pea or a bean give or take a few percent in protein,,I personally don't look at maize for protein or fibre ,I want carbs out of maize
Fibre from barley or paddy rice n protein from hemp or sunflower.

Yes Ant feeding maize with low starch is pointless as that's want you want from it. Good maize can be 70 to 84% starch.

[Bowbroom]

After the moult was complete 40% Barley same of wheat 20% plate maize and not a lot of it, the Barley and Wheat sourced from a local farm cheap as chips, started to build up 2 weeks before pairing