Would you this.

[Winfort Lofts]

It's something I have been trying to get hold of, but unfortunately doesn't seem to be a like for like product available here in the UK!

I have however tried to use Oregano oils to create the same effects, but I am yet to be fully convinced either way!

I have tried the following sources:

https://tumleysupplies.co.uk/product/do ... -tollisan/

https://www.carrs.co.uk/oregano

[king]

The product is available to order in the UK. https://www.u-buy.co.uk/brand/nubiotic? ... hwQHzQRmEi

[Anthony webster]

I'm friends with Frank in usa
He's methods are good but to race at top level it will take years to build a strong team ,if you can't ----- it's a tough road
In 2009 I bred a team deep litter zero help out of 32 bred I ------- 16 baby's that Yr was yb champ following Yr the same I kill 8 baby's was yb champ then I moved I fetched the deep litter with me and bred 40 baby's none went unwell but did ---- one that was late 3 weeks running that Yr great Yr sprint champ east London,,in 2019 I got a bad pneumonia so can't keep baby's on this system just hurts my chest so I scrape out 2x aday ,,all them yrs I used vaccine like Frank but the baby's got a treatment before vaccine this was vets advice.
Oregano, cider vinegar great kill 46 types of fungi ,,cinnamon n cayenne pepper mixed on food is brilliant birds will fly like dots in sky .
But antibiotics are used in racing not because birds are unwell, a well timed antibiotic is a performance boost ,top lofts won't like me saying this but its a legal boost and very kept secrets but used wrong the birds race useless,,
Same as wormers if timed right there a performance boost as well ,
But no supplement can stop birds from getting unwell only super strong pigeons don't get sick iv got 2009,10,11 pigeons still here living a good life they live in aviary 24,7 never get a supplement or anything.

[Anthony webster]

I'm friends with Frank in usa
He's methods are good but to race at top level it will take years to build a strong team ,if you can't ----- it's a tough road
In 2009 I bred a team deep litter zero help out of 32 bred I ------- 16 baby's that Yr was yb champ following Yr the same I kill 8 baby's was yb champ then I moved I fetched the deep litter with me and bred 40 baby's none went unwell but did ---- one that was late 3 weeks running that Yr great Yr sprint champ east London,,in 2019 I got a bad pneumonia so can't keep baby's on this system just hurts my chest so I scrape out 2x aday ,,all them yrs I used vaccine like Frank but the baby's got a treatment before vaccine this was vets advice.
Oregano, cider vinegar great kill 46 types of fungi ,,cinnamon n cayenne pepper mixed on food is brilliant birds will fly like dots in sky .
But antibiotics are used in racing not because birds are unwell, a well timed antibiotic is a performance boost ,top lofts won't like me saying this but its a legal boost and very kept secrets but used wrong the birds race useless,,
Same as wormers if timed right there a performance boost as well ,
But no supplement can stop birds from getting unwell only super strong pigeons don't get sick iv got 2009,10,11 pigeons still here living a good life they live in aviary 24,7 never get a supplement or anything.

Do you think taking the deep litter also helped break them Ant? I know a fancier who moved a couple of times over a relatively short period and allowed the loft to build up with deep litter before taking it with him. He reckoned it help with both the immunity and breaking them.

Don't think it matters with breaking birds but yb building immune I think it helped ,I clean old birds 2 times aday when I moved I broke cocks to hunger to 2,3 days all them waa broke paired them up once driving let hens out with cocks with in 1 hour most hens were following cocks bk to new loft so breaking pigeons don't think it matters n when I broke my birds there loft was still at my old place they was broke to a different loft.

[PeteDerby]

Frank helped me get restarted in pigeons last year and I have followed his methods almost to the letter. He is a real gent and a good pigeon man, although many disagree with what he says.

Being my first year back and having young birds from many different lofts (hence colonies with different immunities) it has been impossible to be treatment free this year. I like the idea, though, and will keep trying.

I have the Nubiotic product - the import cost is ridiculous but given how concentrated it is it will last me a long time.

[PeteDerby]

Frank helped me get restarted in pigeons last year and I have followed his methods almost to the letter. He is a real gent and a good pigeon man, although many disagree with what he says.

Being my first year back and having young birds from many different lofts (hence colonies with different immunities) it has been impossible to be treatment free this year. I like the idea, though, and will keep trying.

I have the Nubiotic product - the import cost is ridiculous but given how concentrated it is it will last me a long time.

Thank you for feedback Pete, where do you have ti import that from.?

Just off the internet. Frank told me not to bother paying that import cost and that there would be an equivalent product we could get here in the UK - but I bought it anyway

[PeteDerby]

Frank helped me get restarted in pigeons last year and I have followed his methods almost to the letter. He is a real gent and a good pigeon man, although many disagree with what he says.

Being my first year back and having young birds from many different lofts (hence colonies with different immunities) it has been impossible to be treatment free this year. I like the idea, though, and will keep trying.

I have the Nubiotic product - the import cost is ridiculous but given how concentrated it is it will last me a long time.

Thank you for feedback Pete, where do you have ti import that from.?

Just off the internet. Frank told me not to bother paying that import cost and that there would be an equivalent product we could get here in the UK - but I bought it anyway

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[Spieker-Loft]

Seems very similar to Dosto 12 from tolisan which our pigeon recieve 2-3x a week through the whole year. The biggest essential in our loft would be Dosto 12 (Oregano oil) and Rohnfried Blitz (Iodine).

[Anthony webster]

Pigeons ain't difficult if u keep ph below 5 the gut will be perfect if the gut is perfect everything else follows ,very simple not awkward or hard test ya water put half a mil of pH test again then another half a mil until ph is correct ,ph control says 6ml to 2 litres but 1ml here fetches ph to 5 so they only get 1ml per 2 litres .