Whilst what you have written is correct at present. IF the NWHU is unrecognised that could backfire dramatically for the RPRA. As you say the NWHU who currently accept application from potential affiliates (not full members) for the purchase of rings etc outside their boundaries. If they are unrecognised they could just change their Rules & Boundaries to include the whole UK just like the RPRA? Then fanciers would have a choice.Bowbroom wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:16 pm I don’t disagree with you, all the home unions as shown in the appendix to the rules are currently recognised. They all have boundaries in which applicants must reside, the exception being the NWHU who currently accept application from potential affiliates (not full members) for the purchase of rings etc outside their boundaries.
You know as well as I do that there is a letter to be discussed relating to their recognition at the Council meeting following the AGM.
Should they become unrecognised, which I hope doesn’t happen, then that will leave those that have joined unable to compete in any RPRA affiliated organisation as you are also aware.
As for the formation of a new union, I believe that that too would be unrecognised with the same effect.
People should be free to choose their affiliation, I just feel that they should know exactly what that means.
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The NWHU have provided for opening their boundaries within their rules, imo if they did that it would definitely lead to de recognition still leaving members with a choice as long as they realise that they couldn’t be a member of both with all that entails
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Diamond Dave
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Hi Bowbroom, the thing here is that no-one particularly wants an alternative we just want change in the current organisation.
If the RPRA actually recognised the need for change/ modernisation and put something into place then I believe that would satisfy the majority of the membership.
No one is looking to do away with the RPRA but lets be honest about this, it is in a mess and they haven't done anything to help themselves.
I don't think anyone actually feels like a valued member of their own union, infact it is absolutely the opposite.
Everything is done behind closed doors in secrecy, there is no transparancy. There is so much more wrong with it, too much to list on here.
I do want to appeal to you to stay on this thread and keep the narrative going. I dont know you from adam but I do believe that you may well be a counciller or someone very close to council and tbh dipping in and out of the thread only answering what you want to is typical of the whole problem as to how the RPRA is run.
Someone needs to listen to the members whether you like what you hear or not.!
If the RPRA actually recognised the need for change/ modernisation and put something into place then I believe that would satisfy the majority of the membership.
No one is looking to do away with the RPRA but lets be honest about this, it is in a mess and they haven't done anything to help themselves.
I don't think anyone actually feels like a valued member of their own union, infact it is absolutely the opposite.
Everything is done behind closed doors in secrecy, there is no transparancy. There is so much more wrong with it, too much to list on here.
I do want to appeal to you to stay on this thread and keep the narrative going. I dont know you from adam but I do believe that you may well be a counciller or someone very close to council and tbh dipping in and out of the thread only answering what you want to is typical of the whole problem as to how the RPRA is run.
Someone needs to listen to the members whether you like what you hear or not.!
Some on here do want to see the demise of the RPRA as they have a deep seated hatred, just reread this thread and you will discover who.
All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
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All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
ATB
Your dig is probably aimed at me, but you couldn't be more wrong. A well run Union is what the fanciers are paying for but not getting. My view and criticism is justified of the RPRA, unless you think everything is hunky dory within the RPRA? Because my view doesn't align with yours, it doesn't make view and criticism invalid.Bowbroom wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:51 pm Some on here do want to see the demise of the RPRA as they have a deep seated hatred, just reread this thread and you will discover who.
All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
ATB
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Diamond Dave
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Hey Bowbroom, thanks for staying with us.Bowbroom wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:51 pm Some on here do want to see the demise of the RPRA as they have a deep seated hatred, just reread this thread and you will discover who.
All that is immaterial though, the voting on the 28th will determine how the association is run in the immediate future either by a continuation of Council or by an executive of 5 people. Either way the RPRA will carry on.
To pick up on your point about accountability, however tortuous it appears to some, under the current system there is a way for members to make their thoughts and feelings known, I’m uncertain how it will work If the management is vested in an executive committee, still we will find out if it happens I guess.
By the way I’m not a Councillor.
ATB
You admit that accountability is somewhat tortuous. For somone who uses their words carefully, I would say that is quite a strong description of the system
Following my own recent experience which you yourself recommended to me I would certainly go along with that and add a few more adjectives such as arduous and laborious and the important one which I dont have a word for is "open to persuasion by others"
So by your reckoning, if there is a continuation of council nothing will change.
So, if you are not a current councillor, can I assume that you have been, which I don't have any problem with anyway providing you were not involved with chucking out the Hall report because the councillors conducting that decision were not just ",open to persuasion" they were positively corrupt.
I wonder if you would consider that to be a way forward?
Please don’t misconstrue what I said, that’s the way to the creation of contentious issues in the future, I said that some find the way tortuous, some find it unacceptably hard work to walk to the local shops and are only too delighted to let someone go for them.
Please enlighten us how we could communicate our concerns to the hierarchy easier and quicker than is possible now? Will we be able to call, txt or e mail the decision makers directly? I suspect that will never be the case and some procedure will have to be followed eg if you have an issue of serious concern to you in the area where you live do you think that you should have the authority to lay a question to parliament? Of course not, there are channels to be followed like it or not.
If the exec committee was to come into being, how do you think you would be able to do it.
As far as the Hall report is concerned, unless I’ve misread them, the propositions to be determined in essence represent the main thrust of that report with the additional erasing of the regions who currently are the first resort to raise queries / concerns.
The only way changes can be made is through the procedures contained within the Constitution as you must realise by your submission of your current proposals.
Please enlighten us how we could communicate our concerns to the hierarchy easier and quicker than is possible now? Will we be able to call, txt or e mail the decision makers directly? I suspect that will never be the case and some procedure will have to be followed eg if you have an issue of serious concern to you in the area where you live do you think that you should have the authority to lay a question to parliament? Of course not, there are channels to be followed like it or not.
If the exec committee was to come into being, how do you think you would be able to do it.
As far as the Hall report is concerned, unless I’ve misread them, the propositions to be determined in essence represent the main thrust of that report with the additional erasing of the regions who currently are the first resort to raise queries / concerns.
The only way changes can be made is through the procedures contained within the Constitution as you must realise by your submission of your current proposals.
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Don't think the South West Region follow the procedure's at all within the Constitution, that's just self preservation at it worst, & I would say after getting the RPRA proposal past in favour with the East Midlands only to have another vote & vote against, how can that be constitional or legal.
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Diamond Dave
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So Bowbroom, I dont mean to be ageist but the above post is just so typical of the age group that you and the rest of the council and region officers represent.
It is after all 2025 and businesses, solicitors, insurance and just about everyone else use and run on e.mails, texts and automation. All that is except the RPRA!!!
So we really do not need the current tortuous arduous laborious route that will continue if council continues - surely you can appreciate that.
The thing is, we are only discussing one process here, and most things within that one process could be resolved more or less instantly.
There are so many other things that could be improved so easily by similar modernisation but only if you open yourself up to it and it seems that the current ceo and his councillors and region reps are totally blind to the obvious.
Perhaps you could justify thier reasoning or maybe you fall in to that category too?
It is after all 2025 and businesses, solicitors, insurance and just about everyone else use and run on e.mails, texts and automation. All that is except the RPRA!!!
So we really do not need the current tortuous arduous laborious route that will continue if council continues - surely you can appreciate that.
The thing is, we are only discussing one process here, and most things within that one process could be resolved more or less instantly.
There are so many other things that could be improved so easily by similar modernisation but only if you open yourself up to it and it seems that the current ceo and his councillors and region reps are totally blind to the obvious.
Perhaps you could justify thier reasoning or maybe you fall in to that category too?