Bowbroom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:44 am
I don’t think it will come to that unless people start falling of their perches
It’s an indisputable fact apart from those that like to believe in conspiracy theories that vaccination programmes if they are extensive enough provide so called “herd immunity, smallpox was eradicated that way (although instances have been discovered in remote areas) similarly Polio has virtually been eliminated in the Western world
Look at our game in the early 80’s we all knew someone in our area who’s birds had caught Paramyxo didn’t we? How many do you come across now?
Some people will believe in the benefits of vaccination and others will refuse to do so, it’s called the human condition.
ATB
Smallpox and the other viruses you identify are not the same as flu/coronaviruses. The vaccines for flu viruses do not stop you getting it or in the case of covid passing it onto others. That's not conspiracy unless you claim the Lancet (the leading science journal) is a conspiracy journal. I don't think so. It has been proven that those vaccinated against covid are no less likely to pass on the virus to others than those who are not vaccinated. We were sold a lie and pressurised into getting the vaccine to protect our loved ones. That's why I had it; if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't. It's seems the conspiracy theories had a point as now backed up by scientific research.
As for Paramyxo virus the same is true, it doesn't stop your pigeons contracting it. Those pigeons vaccinated just get milder symptoms. BUT. They still get it and it has been suggested that it is even a contributing factor to young bird sickness.
The above 2 ladies have published a paper entitled “why smallpox was eradicated and polio still exists” in it they describe the distinction between these viruses and those that cause SARS, Ebola Covid etc and similar viruses that are able to exist in the animal kingdom as well as the human population, they promulgate that whilst no vaccination can be expected to be 100% efficacious if sufficient are vaccinated then it will confer immunity in most and mitigation in the rest
Regarding Paramyxo, how many fanciers in your area that vaccinate have reported cases however mild?
The above 2 ladies have published a paper entitled “why smallpox was eradicated and polio still exists” in it they describe the distinction between these viruses and those that cause SARS, Ebola Covid etc and similar viruses that are able to exist in the animal kingdom as well as the human population, they promulgate that whilst no vaccination can be expected to be 100% efficacious if sufficient are vaccinated then it will confer immunity in most and mitigation in the rest
Regarding Paramyxo, how many fanciers in your area that vaccinate have reported cases however mild?
OK but that doesn't prove that the covid vaccine and others stop the spread of the diseases. They simply don't. So getting such vaccines doesn't provide protection to your loved ones which is what you suggested.
As for fancies reporting symptoms of paramyxo virus, why would they ? If the pigeons are not showing clinical signs then they wouldn't know they have it. Vaccinated pigeons can still contract paramyxo virus. That's not an opinion it's fact.
The above 2 ladies have published a paper entitled “why smallpox was eradicated and polio still exists” in it they describe the distinction between these viruses and those that cause SARS, Ebola Covid etc and similar viruses that are able to exist in the animal kingdom as well as the human population, they promulgate that whilst no vaccination can be expected to be 100% efficacious if sufficient are vaccinated then it will confer immunity in most and mitigation in the rest
Regarding Paramyxo, how many fanciers in your area that vaccinate have reported cases however mild?
OK but that doesn't prove that the covid vaccine and others stop the spread of the diseases. They simply don't. So getting such vaccines doesn't provide protection to your loved ones which is what you suggested.
As for fancies reporting symptoms of paramyxo virus, why would they ? If the pigeons are not showing clinical signs then they wouldn't know they have it. Vaccinated pigeons can still contract paramyxo virus. That's not an opinion it's fact.
The above 2 ladies have published a paper entitled “why smallpox was eradicated and polio still exists” in it they describe the distinction between these viruses and those that cause SARS, Ebola Covid etc and similar viruses that are able to exist in the animal kingdom as well as the human population, they promulgate that whilst no vaccination can be expected to be 100% efficacious if sufficient are vaccinated then it will confer immunity in most and mitigation in the rest
Regarding Paramyxo, how many fanciers in your area that vaccinate have reported cases however mild?
OK but that doesn't prove that the covid vaccine and others stop the spread of the diseases. They simply don't. So getting such vaccines doesn't provide protection to your loved ones which is what you suggested.
As for fancies reporting symptoms of paramyxo virus, why would they ? If the pigeons are not showing clinical signs then they wouldn't know they have it. Vaccinated pigeons can still contract paramyxo virus. That's not an opinion it's fact.
I lost count of the times I had to point this out on chat, more so with the parathyroid. Many though vaccination stopped the birds getting infected.
It's a common misconception. People think of twisted necks etc when diagnosing paramyxo. But other issues like wet droppings and respiratory issues (without neck twisting ) can all be caused by a paramyxo virus but very few if any would link it to paramyxo.
I agree that not all Paramyxo infections display Torticollis, but a good fancier would know that all was not well with their birds, any of the symptoms described would immediately affect performance for example.
Facts come from personal acceptance of what we see, read, are told and believe, one man’s “facts” may and often are inconclusive to and disputed by others.
Bowbroom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 1:56 pm
I agree that not all Paramyxo infections display Torticollis, but a good fancier would know that all was not well with their birds, any of the symptoms described would immediately affect performance for example.
Facts come from personal acceptance of what we see, read, are told and believe, one man’s “facts” may and often are inconclusive to and disputed by others.
Agreed. That should be extended to conspiracy theorists. It is after all another opinion.. A term often used to try and undermine someone's opinion and one you used earlier in the thread.
Bowbroom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:30 pm
Poultry farmers are asking for a vaccination programme to protect their flocks, DEFRA are opposing it
There are a few reasons why this is not a good idea. It will harm exports, a risk the virus mutates, and any vaccination would be a LIVE vaccine given via the water. And vaccination wouldn't actually prevent birds still catching the virus and transmitting it.
Yes, the issue being if poultry are vaccinated then they may not shows symptoms. Those human poultry workers will then be at greater risk of contracting the virus. There have already been cases of such in the UK. The danger to humans then increases by giving the virus an opportunity to mutate and pass from human to human rather than bird to human.
I posted the other day about a case in the West Midlands
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