1st round of youngsters

[Buster121]

Some nice looking babies there Andy, the red and cheq do look to young but that is my preference as you say we all do things differently

[Buster121]

Some nice looking babies there Andy, the red and cheq do look to young but that is my preference as you say we all do things differently

The red grizzle was weaned yesterday, 21 days old. The chequer, mealy and 2 blues were weaned this morning. Again 21 days old.
In the second photo the blue and blue pied with their wings up are 2 of the eldest at now 28 days old. You can see that the blue is fully feathered under the wing now. 7 of the youngsters are out of yours Buster, including the blue pied, mealy, small blue chequer, 2 blues a dark chequer and a blue chequer. You can see several of the youngsters feeding from the trough in the first couple of photos.
The blue chequer and dark chequer from yours is in between the chequer w/f and the blue on the far side of the through.

That is why they look to young then, give them a day or two and they will be in the trough with the rest, hope they all turn out well and all recover from whatever ails them, shame about the lost ones and all the best with them, forgot to say the mealy looks like his parent from what I can remember

[Buster121]

A week on the youngsters are coming on nicely. The elder ones are now flying up into the perches and one in particular is going out into the aviary every day when opened up. The droppings on a lot of the birds both old and young has improved but the odd ones still have quite watery droppings. It’s only the cocks that are going out. 6 fly well but the other 5, which are probably the ones that still have wet droppings don’t fly much. They are looking ok and handle well. Really don’t know what the problem is. It’s the same with the hens. Most ok but the odd ones still not quite right, but they are still feeding some of the youngsters. The naturals which are in the other loft are the same. I did try treating a couple of the old naturals that were the worst and one of the hens with a 4 in 1 spot on three days ago but no difference in them. I don’t think any are likely to die but would like to see the droppings better.
I’ve been reading all sorts but not getting any answers. I still think that some of the problem was the amount of grit they were eating. Also I opened a different bag of corn which seemed ok but maybe one of the grains weren’t right.
I am going to go back to doing what I always used to do. No treatment and those that survive are the ones worth keeping.

Good to see they coming on Andy and I hope the other ones pick back up as well, glad you put that up about the 4 in 1 as I considered trying it the other day and was going to get some next week but won't bother now, I did mean to ask other day how they was doing but totally forgot sorry, but weather really not helping lofts stay dry at present

[Buster121]

SALMONELLOSIS OR PARATYPHOID
Signs of the disease;
GUT PARATYPHOID
Salmonella confined to the gut can be regarded as a true carrier of the disease as the only symptoms are mild or chronic loose droppings. When the pigeon passes droppings the Salmonella is released to infect other birds. Salmonella droppings are described as being green, smelly, bubbly and loose. Youngsters born with infection from the egg or who pick it up within the first few days of life may die with acute watery diarrhoea since they are not old enough for their immune system to have had a chance to build up immunity to this disease.
Eggs that are produced by the cock and hen that have Salmonella or E.coli in the droppings can give a 'coating' fo Salmonella/E.coli to the eggs, the bacterium passes into the egg where it will multiply. This will kill the developing chick causing a 'dead in the egg shell' scenario.

SYSTEMIC PARATYPHOID
After the salmonella leaves the gut (if the bird is under stress) it enters the blood stream where it multiplies before moving to other sites eg joints and the brain.

JOINT PARATYPHOID
Salmonella circulating in the blood stream can settle into joints.This makes the joint painful (dropped wing syndrome) and results in the birds inability to fly.

NERVOUS PARATYPHOID
Salmonella circulating in the blood stream can be defined as 'septicaemia' symptoms include lack of balance, mis-pecking food, head twisting. These symptoms resemble paramyxo virus, however if you have vaccinated your birds you may discount PMV infection.

DISEASE PREVENTION
The effective control of Salmonellosis is by stopping the transfer of the disease and not allowing the organism to survive outside the host. First move is to identify the source of infection and eliminate this. The most common sources of Salmonella are ferel pigeons and rodents followed by ordinary pigeons. Next clean the loft twice daily, although the floor can look clean, it will not be bacterologically clean, Using Virkon S as a discinfectant is safe and effective. The blow torch is totally effective and if used thoroughly has the advantage of totally sterilising the lofts and surfaces of all microbes.

TREATMENT
Many antibiotics can be used eg Amoxycillin, Chlotetracycline, Furazolidone, Enrofloxacin. Enrofloxacin brand name BAYTRIL is a favourite as it enters the joints and the brain where Salmonella penetrate. Whichever drug is chosen, it is necessary to treat every bird in the loft for the recommended time period and to keep the loft very clean using discinfection daily. We also recommend YBS supplement before treatment as this will keep your birds stable and will help reduce deteriation, also use after to give the birds the added multivitamins and electrolytes to help build the birds back up to full strength.

Please contact our Meditech staff for help and advice as some medications we can only supply at the Pharmacy.

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[Buster121]

They are looking well Andy