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Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:22 pm
by goose1
Only thing I look for when looking to add, is birds direct from top performing pigeons, preferably multi performers. Nothing else matters, all these theories are absolute rubbish in my opinion. Good racing pigeons breed good racing pigeons it's as simple as that.
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:38 pm
by Bowbroom
Couldn’t agree more, despite eminent fanciers like Geoff Kirkland apparently giving credence to it the throat theory as eye sign theory are just that theories, the most important things about a pigeon can’t be seen no matter how long you look and that’s what in its head and heart
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:56 pm
by goose1
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:37 pm
goose1 wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:22 pm
Only thing I look for when looking to add, is birds direct from top performing pigeons, preferably multi performers. Nothing else matters, all these theories are absolute rubbish in my opinion. Good racing pigeons breed good racing pigeons it's as simple as that.
Not always Goose. My best ever stock hen was rubbish at racing, hardly made it home on the day, but was responsible for endless number of winners. She was nest sister to my Lerwick winner though.
It's a good job you had that pigeon and not me mate because there's no way on this earth I'd breed from a pigeon that hardly made it home on the day. Although I'm guessing the reason you bred from her was she was sister to a winner?
My comment isn't correct because not all top performers go on to be top producers we all know that but you've a far better chance breeding from proven pigeons than not. Again in my opinion.
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:01 pm
by Anthony webster
I don't believe in eyesign never raced in a club where a eyesign man was flying well.
But check my best birds throat at end of season n all the best birds have perfect throats never once had a good bird with a bad throat ever.
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:20 pm
by Bowbroom
But do you select by the throat as the theory suggests?
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 9:06 pm
by Anthony webster
Bowbroom wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:20 pm
But do you select by the throat as the theory suggests?
No I select by race results but i check throat to see ,every pigeon iv seen with crock in throat as bred rubbish iv been in lofts looked at birds n picked there best n worse birds not once but each time ,,south African flyers now check at weaning but I like to check after moult,,but the throat does get fret marks just like a wing does this ain't a fault it will change a year later it just shows the bird had hardship to deal with.
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:25 am
by goose1
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 9:49 pm
goose1 wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:56 pm
Andy wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:37 pm
Not always Goose. My best ever stock hen was rubbish at racing, hardly made it home on the day, but was responsible for endless number of winners. She was nest sister to my Lerwick winner though.
It's a good job you had that pigeon and not me mate because there's no way on this earth I'd breed from a pigeon that hardly made it home on the day. Although I'm guessing the reason you bred from her was she was sister to a winner?
My comment isn't correct because not all top performers go on to be top producers we all know that but you've a far better chance breeding from proven pigeons than not. Again in my opinion.
I first bred from her as a yearling Goose. She had 3 races as a youngster from memory. From 2 had nights out. I was short of hens for my widowhood cocks so had kept her. Only bred from her because I like my widowers to rear a round before racing and she laid early so had nothing to switch with. Both those youngsters won as youngsters. She went on to become the dam of my loft. I did know the breeding behind her and I know others don’t take any notice of the eye, but she had a cracking chestnut eye. Incidentally her sister who was 6th club Berwick 348mls as a yearling, 4th club Thurso 550 miles as a 2 year old and 1st club Lerwick 650 miles as a 3 year old never bred anything to speak of.
My widowhood hens aren’t raced and don’t even fly out during the racing season so for me they are basically stock hens. I want these hens to be breeding my winning cocks. So like to try youngsters from them all, especially after previous experience with the aforementioned hen. I don’t buy in pigeons as I like to breed my own family, with just the odd gift birds to try out. So I do know the past history and breeding of these hens and what their siblings have achieved. Just my way of doing it.
And if it works for you mate that's all that matters. ATB
Re: What are we looking for.
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 11:11 am
by Bowbroom
As usual, it’s each to there own I guess