Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 7:17 am
Does anyone still race them successfully at the distance
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Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 7:54 am
i know some years back when i was racing one of the old boys had a few and did quite well with them at middle range but we was flying south so are races where only up too 300miles
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:20 am
Murray wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:12 am Ooh, yea. Some of those from Maselli's are sensational.
King Leo, Red Blaze of Van den Bulck, Pitbull, Best Kittel, all of those lines are here.
But mixed up and outcrossed and bred back in and not 'great old lines' at all.
These things are as modern as tomorrow.
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:38 am
Personally I always found those above birds soft especially when it's a difficult race,Jansen based had no get up next morning, decent at the job of sprint to middle distance,you find out the older tested families will fight to get home, possibly more love for home,when the trap drops they get the job done,the so called kittle and putbull are just a marketing thing so people can make lots of money, that will be the reason for so heavy losses rubbish soft pigeon,I was chatting to a friend of mine from north of England and he heavily invested in those kittle putbull type and spent big money, he is in pigeons from a young man all his life and won hundreds of races,he said they were the absolute worst birds he ever had losses through the roof
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 11:05 am
The late Clive Pollard of Camborne in Cornwall won NFC Nantes with Cornish Princess a H&W Grooter 1970 I think
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 11:28 am
Even if fanciers who had these families did bring in crosses over the years it would still be possible to trace the lines back to these old families. These modern families MUST be bred down from birds that lived a 100 years ago. Brian Denney's family of birds can be traced back to 1908 and he only brought just SIX crosses into his family. My own family of birds are mostly black in colour, that colour came from a pair of blacks introduced by the fancier I got my birds from in the early 1950s that were Harrison Logans.Murray wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 8:54 am Ah, Grooters. And Sions, and Gurnays. And Wegges.
And of course the Logan Barkers.
Great old pigeons. I doubt a single one of those strains still exists today. They must have had an outcross by now or they would be terribly inbred.
We are talking over 100 years, some of those families. The best racers these days are bringing in new pigeons almost every year.
A 'pure' Hooymans? A 'pure' Heremans?
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:03 pm
You had birds off Marley Westrop as well didn’t you? who’s blacks were influenced by Martin Krauths weren’t they?king wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 11:28 amEven if fanciers who had these families did bring in crosses over the years it would still be possible to trace the lines back to these old families. These modern families MUST be bred down from birds that lived a 100 years ago. Brian Denney's family of birds can be traced back to 1908 and he only brought just SIX crosses into his family. My own family of birds are mostly black in colour, that colour came from a pair of blacks introduced by the fancier I got my birds from in the early 1950s that were Harrison Logans.Murray wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 8:54 am Ah, Grooters. And Sions, and Gurnays. And Wegges.
And of course the Logan Barkers.
Great old pigeons. I doubt a single one of those strains still exists today. They must have had an outcross by now or they would be terribly inbred.
We are talking over 100 years, some of those families. The best racers these days are bringing in new pigeons almost every year.
A 'pure' Hooymans? A 'pure' Heremans?
I had the Ebony Krauths via Harold Hart and Len Owen, whilst Ebony’s dam Tulip was a Krauth out of the Battle cock, his Sire Matthew was a dark cheq Van Lil Hansenne. I had a bit of a running battle with Louella at the time as they were advertising Ebony as a “pure” Krauth which of course he wasn't
Two youngsters out of our Hart Krauths x a Paul Fauconnier hen scored 3rd and 7th section NFC Rennes 372 miles the year Virgo won it for Norman Barrett
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:51 pm
Yes my birds came from Marley Westrop. The Black colour came from the pair of birds he got in the 50s that were Harrison Logans as stated in the original post. I'm sure he added others birds over the years. One Black cock I got from Marley (and still have) flew Tarbes for him 615 miles. He was bred by Marley's good friend Ken Skewes of Cornwall. He is mix of Marley's own birds x Delmotte Jurion.Bowbroom wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:03 pmYou had birds off Marley Westrop as well didn’t you? who’s blacks were influenced by Martin Krauths weren’t they?king wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 11:28 amEven if fanciers who had these families did bring in crosses over the years it would still be possible to trace the lines back to these old families. These modern families MUST be bred down from birds that lived a 100 years ago. Brian Denney's family of birds can be traced back to 1908 and he only brought just SIX crosses into his family. My own family of birds are mostly black in colour, that colour came from a pair of blacks introduced by the fancier I got my birds from in the early 1950s that were Harrison Logans.Murray wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 8:54 am Ah, Grooters. And Sions, and Gurnays. And Wegges.
And of course the Logan Barkers.
Great old pigeons. I doubt a single one of those strains still exists today. They must have had an outcross by now or they would be terribly inbred.
We are talking over 100 years, some of those families. The best racers these days are bringing in new pigeons almost every year.
A 'pure' Hooymans? A 'pure' Heremans?
I had the Ebony Krauths via Harold Hart and Len Owen, whilst Ebony’s dam Tulip was a Krauth out of the Battle cock, his Sire Matthew was a dark cheq Van Lil Hansenne. I had a bit of a running battle with Louella at the time as they were advertising Ebony as a “pure” Krauth which of course he wasn't
Two youngsters out of our Hart Krauths x a Paul Fauconnier hen scored 3rd and 7th section NFC Rennes 372 miles the year Virgo won it for Norman Barrett
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:08 pm
Marley introduced Krauths and also had the Telfer black jets from Kev Burrows and his dad as they regularly exchanged birds
Re: Grooters racing pigeons
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 5:08 pm
Marley never mentioned Krauth to me when talking to him. I knew about Kev, I've visited him at Barnsley.Bowbroom wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:08 pm Marley introduced Krauths and also had the Telfer black jets from Kev Burrows and his dad as they regularly exchanged birds