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Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 1:17 pm
by king
I'd say 7% is an underestimate. More like double that.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 7:46 pm
by Diamond Dave
I race off my state pension. I wouldnt be able to keep the birds if my missus werent getting hers too.
Its a bit of a bummer though, having to keep her sweet all the time, especially when I need a bag of good corn. Ha -ha!!
I do a couple of little jobs around the village to help pay for racing but its getting harder and its not much fun having to work everything on a shoestring budget.
But, hey, I'm happy and enjoying my birds so you can put the violins away now.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 10:59 pm
by Diamond Dave
I have just had a young lad contact me who wants to start up.
Nice lad, not even finished his exams at school yet, can't drive but he wants to start up for all the right reasons.
I think the parents are split up. His mum brought him over to see me and to have a chat. One of her question
was how much does it cost?
I made an on the spot estimate to keep and race about 20 pigeons for a year on a shoestring budget would be around £800. I didnt think that would be far off - what do you all think......?
He was still keen but mum wasnt quite but I tried to explain that is still quite cheap for a hobby. It probably cost about 30 quid for a days fishing nowadays.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 2:33 pm
by Diamond Dave
Devo1956 wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 8:53 am It is great to hear of a young lad wanting to get involved in the sport, even better when they fully understand. That it is a 365 day sport, and the birds are going to depend on him keeping them in good health.
I hope this young lad does get the chance to join the sport, and he can get into a club with members to help him along the way. It is really kind of Dave to spend time with the young lad and his mother, explaining about the sport. I would say more time needed for the young lad to see what it is all about, meet other local flyers by a trip to the club house. Having a chat with others may give him a better understanding about the sport.
Yes he will need a budget to start in the sport, but by just a trip to the club house and chatting to other members. That budget may be reduced by gifts from the club members. My advice for the young lad is, prepare well and take on board what is required from yourself. To become a keeper of livestock. their health is paramount 365 days a year.
Well done Dave.
He has bought 4 birds from someone, 2 of which are fantails and the other 2 are unrung. His mum has let him have a small shed and he has made a wire aviery for them.
He lives about half an hour away from me but and is not in our club rad. but he would get in one of the clubs in our fed. I spoke to the sec and he would welcome his application.
I am breeding him a round of birds but they obviously wont make racing this year so I asked at the club if anyone has ybs in the nest now that he might have a chance of getting into the last couple of races this year and I have obtained 5 birds from 3 different ppl.
He is very intent on racing and is a lovely lad but doesnt know anything, not even the colours of the birds.
Ive helped him set up his shed but his mum wants him to get his exams done now before getting too involved in memberships and things.
I will introduce him to this site in due course when he has finished his exams.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 7:31 pm
by Diamond Dave
Dont want to detract from the thread and I estimated that my basic costs were about £800. That would be general running costs without taking fuel into account for going to the club etc.
- just wondering what others might be, especially for those that dont race.......

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 12:09 pm
by Diamond Dave
Trev wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 8:58 am I have to confess that I've not read all the posts on this topic so must apologise if I repeat anything already said.
I do think that the rising cost of keeping and in particular racing our birds is having an impact on the sport, but as you have said, when compared to other hobbies it is still affordable to many. Again it's a sport that you can easily over complicate and can make as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be, again as you've said, we can easily get brainwashed into spending a lot more money than we need to.
As with everything I think the red tape involved now is having an affect, especially now Deffra are involved. Also I think the gradual decline of Club/Fed racing is making it harder for new starters to get into the sport, but I think one of the bigger issues over hear is lack of space. Many councils are against having livestock on allotments now, which of course is where many fanciers, especially up North, used to have their lofts. Many councils won't allow lofts in council owned properties anymore, and all the new housing developments, if youngsters are lucky enough to be able to afford one, just don't have big enough gardens for pigeon lofts or are so on top of each other that it just wouldn't be practical.
I don't know what the answers are but somehow we need to attract more youngsters into the sport, we have a fairly good club in Littlehampton with around 15 members, 12 of whom race most weeks. However at nearly 59, I'm the youngest member, if the two guys who run the club decide they are packing it in, there is nobody there who could/would take over so our club would fold.
Hello Trev. I dont disagree with what you say but gotta say that I dont think you have much chance of attracting youngsters into the sport.
IMO the best ppl to 'target' are the recently retired. Most would have the savvy to operate new tech, most would be fit enough to help out at club level, most would be looking for something to do with their spare time, most would have spare cash to be able to afford it.
Its the perfect target audience.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 12:58 pm
by Bowbroom
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless it disagrees with some) mine is that we will NEVER attract enough to even go near replacing those lost through natural wastage, for the kids it’s too much like hard work the same applies to the newly retired.
The drop in membership is affecting all the unions in the British Isles and friends abroad assure me it’s the same in Belgium and Holland.
We must face up to the fact that ours is a dying game and enjoy it while we can, if it gives people pleasure to delude themselves otherwise than I wish them all the best.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 2:47 pm
by Diamond Dave
Bowbroom wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 12:58 pm Everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless it disagrees with some) mine is that we will NEVER attract enough to even go near replacing those lost through natural wastage, for the kids it’s too much like hard work the same applies to the newly retired.
The drop in membership is affecting all the unions in the British Isles and friends abroad assure me it’s the same in Belgium and Holland.
We must face up to the fact that ours is a dying game and enjoy it while we can, if it gives people pleasure to delude themselves otherwise than I wish them all the best.
Your opinion BB and one that typically reflects the attitude of a current or former official of the RPRA.
I'm guessing that it was under your inclusion that the "the future of the sport" committee was set up. I wonder if you can remind me what that achieved, apart from mis-using members funds.
I dont consider myself to be "deluded" because I have a more positive attitude than you.
Can you show me any evidence of newly retired ppl being targeted as potential members or can you show me any evidence of any one being targeted in any sort of campagn to seek new members by the ageing hierachy of the RPRA.? ( refrained from using the D word)
I myself have several ideas of how new members could be targeted and I dont consider myself to be deluded because I have a positive attitude.
There are hundreds of other ppl out there that are likely to have other ideas as well but with your attitude and that of the RPRA, it can only go one way.
Whats really interesting about your post is that you have actively stated that if we dont agree with you - "we are deluded" - To reflect on previous posts of yours, Id say thats a classic case of pot and kettle!!
Nothing personal intended mate.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 3:04 pm
by king
Bowbroom wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 12:58 pm Everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless it disagrees with some) mine is that we will NEVER attract enough to even go near replacing those lost through natural wastage, for the kids it’s too much like hard work the same applies to the newly retired.
The drop in membership is affecting all the unions in the British Isles and friends abroad assure me it’s the same in Belgium and Holland.
We must face up to the fact that ours is a dying game and enjoy it while we can, if it gives people pleasure to delude themselves otherwise than I wish them all the best.
Not often that we agree, but you are right. Whilst some clubs are attracting new members, how many are actually poached from other clubs? Some areas in the UK will fare better than others, but for every 'NEW' member the sport gains, I'll bet it will lose TEN. And more worrying this will increase due to the age of the majority of fanciers.

Re: Are the cost affecting the sport?

Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 5:42 pm
by Winfort Lofts
Diamond Dave wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 2:47 pm
Bowbroom wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 12:58 pm Everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless it disagrees with some) mine is that we will NEVER attract enough to even go near replacing those lost through natural wastage, for the kids it’s too much like hard work the same applies to the newly retired.
The drop in membership is affecting all the unions in the British Isles and friends abroad assure me it’s the same in Belgium and Holland.
We must face up to the fact that ours is a dying game and enjoy it while we can, if it gives people pleasure to delude themselves otherwise than I wish them all the best.
Your opinion BB and one that typically reflects the attitude of a current or former official of the RPRA.
I'm guessing that it was under your inclusion that the "the future of the sport" committee was set up. I wonder if you can remind me what that achieved, apart from mis-using members funds.
I dont consider myself to be "deluded" because I have a more positive attitude than you.
Can you show me any evidence of newly retired ppl being targeted as potential members or can you show me any evidence of any one being targeted in any sort of campagn to seek new members by the ageing hierachy of the RPRA.? ( refrained from using the D word)
I myself have several ideas of how new members could be targeted and I dont consider myself to be deluded because I have a positive attitude.
There are hundreds of other ppl out there that are likely to have other ideas as well but with your attitude and that of the RPRA, it can only go one way.
Whats really interesting about your post is that you have actively stated that if we dont agree with you - "we are deluded" - To reflect on previous posts of yours, Id say thats a classic case of pot and kettle!!
Nothing personal intended mate.
I personally think to target the people we need, the emphasis needs to come a large from individual members/clubs, rather than the governing body per se.

This is something that I think people are a lot less will to get behind when they realise they are the ones that need to go out and make an effort.

How hard would it be to ask to put up flyers in the local notice board, local grain seller, local library, or even on the local events board in the local pub?

All of which individually are not gonna cause hoards of people to suddenly take an interest. But if done across the nation, then maybe a handful of people, that way inclined may take a look!

I recently saw a post on Facebook from a local page where someone had found a stray, noticed the rings, and pointed out that they didn't realise pigeon racing was still a thing!