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Hello, what's members thoughts on wing lock .

CHARLTON34 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:22 pm Hello, what's members thoughts on wing lock .

In the 50+ years I've kept pigeons I've only ever had 1 bird have it. A mealy hen that was held over for 7 days at 360 miles. She dropped after 10 hours and had wing lock. She was never the same again.
I read many SPRINT fanciers often get this and can only assume it's something either they are giving the birds or it's a weakness in their birds. If my birds were getting it often I'd be looking for the cause, not a treatment.

MIL wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:31 am You typically find this when birds have been confined to the loft during the winter period and then start back "moving" again pre-season

Mike then why does it only effect certain fancier's birds? If it was purely down to birds being confined then it would effect studs and those with stock lofts? Many have birds confined for YEARS and not just over Winter, and don't have this problem? I like many fanciers keep the birds in over Winter with zero troubles, have done for over 50 years.
And I also believe the stiffness caused by holdovers, is different to this 'wing lock' the sprint men get.

MIL wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:48 pm

king wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:19 pm

MIL wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:31 am You typically find this when birds have been confined to the loft during the winter period and then start back "moving" again pre-season

Mike then why does it only effect certain fancier's birds? If it was purely down to birds being confined then it would effect studs and those with stock lofts? Many have birds confined for YEARS and not just over Winter, and don't have this problem? I like many fanciers keep the birds in over Winter with zero troubles, have done for over 50 years.
And I also believe the stiffness caused by holdovers, is different to this 'wing lock' the sprint men get.

They typically show signs of this in March and April when birds are being asked to use the muscle a lot when its not really had any test for 5-6 months

I never had it myself (and I was a sprinter) but i used to like to get mine out in the winter. Never in the wet/damp. But as long as it was dry I never cared how cold it was

And yes I know distance men who get it

I know it happens in both Sprint & Distances lofts Mike, I wasn't saying it only happens in Sprint lofts, although they do seem the most effected. I have to disagree with this being due to birds being confined. This 'Wing Lock' is a another relatively new thing. It wasn't around 20 years ago and many fancier still over Winter their birds in the same way they did then.
I don't a fancier myself who's birds have had this. My own thoughts are those that get this problem are doing something different to those that don't get it?. ie overmedication, or breeding off birds that have previously themselves had this condition.
I myself used to fly out over winter, but BOP stopped me doing this.

MIL wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:42 pm Precisely!!!

Fanciers keep their birds in now much more over winter than decades ago because the BoP threat now is so great
99/100 you hear of Wing Lock in March/April

Lee Painter used to get a small number with it each year. He only changed his wintering habits following my guidance and now hasn’t had it for 3 years

Same birds, same everything else you care to think of

Keeping birds confined may give fanciers an cause to point too, but how do you explain the 1,000s of fanciers who still keep the birds in over the entire Winter and don't get any wing lock though? And why does it effect some birds and not others? A weakness, underling health issues?
Whilst many more fanciers are keeping birds in over Winter for BOP problems many used too long before BOP was a big problem without getting wing lock.

In my opinion I believe its more of a problem now, yes one reason being the confinement over the winter, but also pigeons are now in my opinion hitting levels of form in terms of physical condition than they used to, which is no different to every athlete on the planet be it man or animal. And the more highly tuned a person or athlete is the more likely something is to go wrong. I don't think I'd be speaking out of turn to say our loft has always flown a good pigeon for 50 years, my father would tell you now the pigeons that were winning feds years and years ago excised nothing like the pigeons that win now. Their just at another level as are most peoples. And that's just the way of the world, nutrition, supplement use everything moves forward and gets better. My previous job I was 11 years as a person trainer so I do have a decent understanding of how increased levels of fitness and muscular development increase the risk of injury. This season one week we topped the amal around 2000 birds, this was a blow home as had been the previous 5 weeks, the following Saturday was the first real testing race of the season, we won the race again think we were 5th combine, by tea time that day we had 3 pigeons with wing lock and another the next day. On enquiring other lads who were flying well were the same. Only reason I've mentioned the results was to show that the pigeons were in form and flying well when the problem occurred. As I've stated on here previously we medicate our pigeons very little so certainly don't think it's anything to do with that. I've probably rambled a bit there buts that's my thoughts on it.

MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:00 am I can certainly buy into what you're saying more than I can with what King is saying

King did basically imply that sprinters get it more than distance men

Show me the evidence of that!

It's a shame we can't access the old Pigeon Chat posts. The majority of fanciers who said they had it were sprint men.

MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:54 pm

king wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:57 pm

MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:00 am I can certainly buy into what you're saying more than I can with what King is saying

King did basically imply that sprinters get it more than distance men

Show me the evidence of that!

It's a shame we can't access the old Pigeon Chat posts. The majority of fanciers who said they had it were sprint men.

Yea right... Whatever

You certainly don't like anybody having an opinion that differs from yours. Whilst keeping birds in MAY be a cause of wing lock. With the number of fanciers now keeping birds in you'd expect a larger number of fanciers to be have birds with it, and certainly a greater number of actual birds with it. You still have given no answer to why the vast majority of birds remain unaffected from long periods of confinement.
Having not had if in over 50 years, I must be doing something right

MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:40 pm Likewise I've had them all my life too without having it

I just find it amusing that you make these rash statements emphasising the word SPRINT in one of your posts,, and when I ask you to evidence it the only avenue you can offer is one that is now permanently closed

I haven't had it but I'm aware of the threat. And when I guide peope who had pigeons suffer with it every year and then don't get it following my advice then that leads me to think that I too must be doing something right

Rash? The vast majority of fanciers are now SPRINT. Anybody who thinks that confinement is the cause, can simply let them out over Winter. But if fanciers CAN and DO confine over Winter with ZERO problems, then confinement isn't the cause.

some pigeons can have salmonella on the wing joint also i put mine on a 2 week programme a stray some how got in my loft so reached for the product i rate they dont use enrofloxin any more a combination of 2 antibiotics in a tub