That is a big problem now Neil. When I first brought the shop 20 years ago I could get a large variety of brands, now my wholesalers only do Bucktons, countrywide or Marriages. I could go direct to some of the feed companies but would have to put in a minimum £400 order. I don’t get any demand for pigeon feed around here as there are no local fanciers.
Different feeds
Back just enjoying club racing for the time being.
That is a very large list of ingredients Dev. The trouble with that is that any one grain not up to standard would ruin the mix and to get every pigeon to get a mix of all the grains you would have to feed every pigeon individually as some would eat some grains first and others different ones. Interesting that they suggest this mix for all distances!!Devo1956 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:11 pmThis is the joy of the topic Neil, when others get involved and start asking questions.
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Nutritional values
10,08% Fats
13,17% Proteins
7,65% Digestible proteins
56,9% Carbohydrates
Recommended for
Sprint
Middle distance
Long distance
Composition
Red French maize
Bordeau Cribbs maize
Small Cribbs maize
Yellow Cribbs maize
Wheat
Barley
Milo corn
Dari white
Oat peeled
Paddy Rice
Rice cargo
Cardy
Sunflower streped
Rapeseed
Hempseed
Millet wit
Canary seed
Tares
Mungbeans
Soya beans
Perilla seed
Lentils
Wild seeds
German Thistle seed
Sesam seed
Sneaky mix
Description
A modern racing mixture with the perfect balance between fats and proteins. Due to the high quality from the yellow Cribbs maize, Bordeaux Cribbs maize, red maize and the various seeds rich in fats, a real top mix!
The success of the mix hides in the fact that it supllies extra reserves without making your pigeons to fat. Top mix for widowhood cocks and young birds for the heavy work. For the long and heavy long distance we advise to supply at the end of the week extra Top Energy N°35.
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We are lucky that a farmer 14 miles away started to sell horse / pigeon / dog feeds in a spare barn about 8 years agoAndy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:09 amThat is a big problem now Neil. When I first brought the shop 20 years ago I could get a large variety of brands, now my wholesalers only do Bucktons, countrywide or Marriages. I could go direct to some of the feed companies but would have to put in a minimum £400 order. I don’t get any demand for pigeon feed around here as there are no local fanciers.
If it wasn’t for him I would be looking at a 64 mile round trip to get my corn the opposite way to work
The large pet stores do the odd bag but the range is limited normally just say breeding or yb. That’s sat there a year
Like you say we just don’t have the fanciers now east London area used to have a few options but I think there all gone now
What would you say the VL version is DevoDevo1956 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:11 pmThis is the joy of the topic Neil, when others get involved and start asking questions.
Premium Power Sport Nr. 187
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Nutritional values
10,08% Fats
13,17% Proteins
7,65% Digestible proteins
56,9% Carbohydrates
Recommended for
Sprint
Middle distance
Long distance
Composition
Red French maize
Bordeau Cribbs maize
Small Cribbs maize
Yellow Cribbs maize
Wheat
Barley
Milo corn
Dari white
Oat peeled
Paddy Rice
Rice cargo
Cardy
Sunflower streped
Rapeseed
Hempseed
Millet wit
Canary seed
Tares
Mungbeans
Soya beans
Perilla seed
Lentils
Wild seeds
German Thistle seed
Sesam seed
Sneaky mix
Description
A modern racing mixture with the perfect balance between fats and proteins. Due to the high quality from the yellow Cribbs maize, Bordeaux Cribbs maize, red maize and the various seeds rich in fats, a real top mix!
The success of the mix hides in the fact that it supllies extra reserves without making your pigeons to fat. Top mix for widowhood cocks and young birds for the heavy work. For the long and heavy long distance we advise to supply at the end of the week extra Top Energy N°35.
Looking at the Gerry mix,
Complete low-protein mixture
Complete feed for pigeons enriched with the special Immunity Concept+ pellet. On the ample pigeon feed market Plus I.C.+ Gerry is becoming the leading low-protein mix, just like its predecessor. Ideal for young and old pigeons. The added extruded Plus I.C.+ pellets work for a better digestion and an additional number of vitamins and amino acids, which are important during the racing and breeding season. This is so much more than a conventional pigeon mixture that only provides a solution to the pigeon’s protein and fat requirement. It creates the difference between a pigeon and a top pigeon.
Complete feed for pigeons enriched with the Immunity Concept+ pellet. Low-protein but high-fat mixture that provides enough energy for the pigeons to train intensively.
Suitable for both old and young pigeons, ideal to keep them in training.
Mixture is easily digestible and provides the pigeon with all the necessary vitamins, amino acids and minerals. It also guarantees an optimal protection against gastrointestinal problems.
Composition
red maize 4%, small cribs maize 31%, mung beans 1%, white pigeon wheat 2%, white dari 15%, red dari 6%, safflower 19%, pigeon barley 1%, paddy rice 12%, broken rice 2%, peeled oats 2%, buckwheat 1%, brown linseed 1%, pellet I.C.⁺ 3%
Analytical constituents
crude protein 11%, crude fat 7%, crude fibre 6.5%, crude ash 2.5%, carbohydrates 61%, lysine 0.34%, methionine 0.24%, threonine 0.35%, tryptophan 0.11%, cystine 0.2%, calcium 0.09%, phosphorus 0.27%, sodium 0.02%
Additives/kg
Nutritional additives
3a672a vitamin A 1350 IU, E671 vitamin D3 270 IU, 3a700 vitamin E 7.5 mg, vitamin C 1.5 mg, E1 ferrous sulphate, monohydrate 3 mg, 3b202 calcium iodate, anhydrous 0.25 mg, E4 cupric sulphate, pentahydrate 1 mg, E5 manganous oxide 8 mg, E6 zinc oxide 7.5 mg, E8 sodium selenite 0.03 mg, 3 b 8.10 organic form of selenium (produced by Saccharomyces cerevisiae CNCM I-3060) 0.08 mg, L-carnitine 0.6 mg
Feed your pigeons with Plus I.C.+, a grain mixture supplemented with extruded Plus I.C.+ pellets specifically for pigeons.
Plus I.C.+ pellets provide the following major benefits:
A complete feed with the ideal quantities of protein, fat and carbohydrates adapted for each season
Supplemented with all the necessary vitamins, minerals and amino acids
Better immunity and protection against diseases
Easily digestible and better use of nutrients
Enriched with all of the latest nutraceuticals (added nutritional elements)
Complete low-protein mixture
Complete feed for pigeons enriched with the special Immunity Concept+ pellet. On the ample pigeon feed market Plus I.C.+ Gerry is becoming the leading low-protein mix, just like its predecessor. Ideal for young and old pigeons. The added extruded Plus I.C.+ pellets work for a better digestion and an additional number of vitamins and amino acids, which are important during the racing and breeding season. This is so much more than a conventional pigeon mixture that only provides a solution to the pigeon’s protein and fat requirement. It creates the difference between a pigeon and a top pigeon.
Complete feed for pigeons enriched with the Immunity Concept+ pellet. Low-protein but high-fat mixture that provides enough energy for the pigeons to train intensively.
Suitable for both old and young pigeons, ideal to keep them in training.
Mixture is easily digestible and provides the pigeon with all the necessary vitamins, amino acids and minerals. It also guarantees an optimal protection against gastrointestinal problems.
Composition
red maize 4%, small cribs maize 31%, mung beans 1%, white pigeon wheat 2%, white dari 15%, red dari 6%, safflower 19%, pigeon barley 1%, paddy rice 12%, broken rice 2%, peeled oats 2%, buckwheat 1%, brown linseed 1%, pellet I.C.⁺ 3%
Analytical constituents
crude protein 11%, crude fat 7%, crude fibre 6.5%, crude ash 2.5%, carbohydrates 61%, lysine 0.34%, methionine 0.24%, threonine 0.35%, tryptophan 0.11%, cystine 0.2%, calcium 0.09%, phosphorus 0.27%, sodium 0.02%
Additives/kg
Nutritional additives
3a672a vitamin A 1350 IU, E671 vitamin D3 270 IU, 3a700 vitamin E 7.5 mg, vitamin C 1.5 mg, E1 ferrous sulphate, monohydrate 3 mg, 3b202 calcium iodate, anhydrous 0.25 mg, E4 cupric sulphate, pentahydrate 1 mg, E5 manganous oxide 8 mg, E6 zinc oxide 7.5 mg, E8 sodium selenite 0.03 mg, 3 b 8.10 organic form of selenium (produced by Saccharomyces cerevisiae CNCM I-3060) 0.08 mg, L-carnitine 0.6 mg
Feed your pigeons with Plus I.C.+, a grain mixture supplemented with extruded Plus I.C.+ pellets specifically for pigeons.
Plus I.C.+ pellets provide the following major benefits:
A complete feed with the ideal quantities of protein, fat and carbohydrates adapted for each season
Supplemented with all the necessary vitamins, minerals and amino acids
Better immunity and protection against diseases
Easily digestible and better use of nutrients
Enriched with all of the latest nutraceuticals (added nutritional elements)
The vision of Prudent Versele
We're in 1932. Great-grandfather Prudent Versele leads a small family company with only a garden restaurant and a grocery shop. It doesn’t take long before he sees the potential. His dream is to produce quality-compound fodder and launch it on the market. Very soon, he makes it happen.
The fodder of Versele gains popularity. Only five years later, he could hardly meet the enormous demand. That is when he decided to build his first fodder plant in the Belgian city of Deinze.
His success quickly grew in the following years. The factory continued to expand, becoming one of the most modern and efficient in its time.
Quality nutrition tailored to every pet
It’s not just the Versele family that gave it their all to create top quality nutrition. Their employees shared this burning ambition. And very quickly, Versele-Laga - led by the second and third generation - also made quality compound feed for pigeons, birds, dogs, cats, horses and farm animals. Not surprising, because from the 70s onwards, more families raised pets in their own homes.
VERSELE-LAGA IS AN INTERNATIONAL MANUFACTURER OF QUALITY NUTRITION AND CARE BRAND PRODUCTS FOR PETS AND PERFORMANCE ANIMALS.
Expertise all over the world
Today, more than 15.5 million animals in over 85 countries enjoy Versele-Laga pet nutrition. Because after the expansion to Western and Eastern Europe, the fourth generation succeeded in making the range reach China and the US in 2010.
With a wide variety of over 2000 balanced and carefully composed nutrition and care products, animal lovers everywhere keep their young and older pets healthy and happy. All thanks to our shared passion and respect for animals, and by following the latest market developments closely, with new investments and refined product innovations.
Beating heart in Deinze
Versele-Laga has grown into an international manufacturer of pet nutrition and care brand products with seven factories in Europe, one in China and two in the United States. Versele-Laga sells its products worldwide in more than 85 countries.
At the same time, we remain a local family company, true to its roots in Deinze, a place where our employees share the same ambition: going the extra mile to keep every animal healthy and active, no matter the age, breed or type. And this through carefully composed pet nutrition and care products. That is how we feed the bond between you and your pet every day!
Our Ambition
Pets are our world. That’s why we care for both them and their caregivers, so pet owners everywhere get more out of their bond. Because every 2 seconds, someone somewhere feeds an animal with our products.
This is our goal
Our Values
Every day, we get up early to nurture the bond between you and your pet. Discover the 4 pillars of our passion for humans and animals.
This inspires us
Our difference
We're in 1932. Great-grandfather Prudent Versele leads a small family company with only a garden restaurant and a grocery shop. It doesn’t take long before he sees the potential. His dream is to produce quality-compound fodder and launch it on the market. Very soon, he makes it happen.
The fodder of Versele gains popularity. Only five years later, he could hardly meet the enormous demand. That is when he decided to build his first fodder plant in the Belgian city of Deinze.
His success quickly grew in the following years. The factory continued to expand, becoming one of the most modern and efficient in its time.
Quality nutrition tailored to every pet
It’s not just the Versele family that gave it their all to create top quality nutrition. Their employees shared this burning ambition. And very quickly, Versele-Laga - led by the second and third generation - also made quality compound feed for pigeons, birds, dogs, cats, horses and farm animals. Not surprising, because from the 70s onwards, more families raised pets in their own homes.
VERSELE-LAGA IS AN INTERNATIONAL MANUFACTURER OF QUALITY NUTRITION AND CARE BRAND PRODUCTS FOR PETS AND PERFORMANCE ANIMALS.
Expertise all over the world
Today, more than 15.5 million animals in over 85 countries enjoy Versele-Laga pet nutrition. Because after the expansion to Western and Eastern Europe, the fourth generation succeeded in making the range reach China and the US in 2010.
With a wide variety of over 2000 balanced and carefully composed nutrition and care products, animal lovers everywhere keep their young and older pets healthy and happy. All thanks to our shared passion and respect for animals, and by following the latest market developments closely, with new investments and refined product innovations.
Beating heart in Deinze
Versele-Laga has grown into an international manufacturer of pet nutrition and care brand products with seven factories in Europe, one in China and two in the United States. Versele-Laga sells its products worldwide in more than 85 countries.
At the same time, we remain a local family company, true to its roots in Deinze, a place where our employees share the same ambition: going the extra mile to keep every animal healthy and active, no matter the age, breed or type. And this through carefully composed pet nutrition and care products. That is how we feed the bond between you and your pet every day!
Our Ambition
Pets are our world. That’s why we care for both them and their caregivers, so pet owners everywhere get more out of their bond. Because every 2 seconds, someone somewhere feeds an animal with our products.
This is our goal
Our Values
Every day, we get up early to nurture the bond between you and your pet. Discover the 4 pillars of our passion for humans and animals.
This inspires us
Our difference
Devo1956 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:54 am Looking at the Gerry mix,
Complete low-protein mixture
Complete feed for pigeons enriched with the special Immunity Concept+ pellet. On the ample pigeon feed market Plus I.C.+ Gerry is becoming the leading low-protein mix, just like its predecessor. Ideal for young and old pigeons. The added extruded Plus I.C.+ pellets work for a better digestion and an additional number of vitamins and amino acids, which are important during the racing and breeding season. This is so much more than a conventional pigeon mixture that only provides a solution to the pigeon’s protein and fat requirement. It creates the difference between a pigeon and a top pigeon.
Complete feed for pigeons enriched with the Immunity Concept+ pellet. Low-protein but high-fat mixture that provides enough energy for the pigeons to train intensively.
Suitable for both old and young pigeons, ideal to keep them in training.
Mixture is easily digestible and provides the pigeon with all the necessary vitamins, amino acids and minerals. It also guarantees an optimal protection against gastrointestinal problems.
Composition
red maize 4%, small cribs maize 31%, mung beans 1%, white pigeon wheat 2%, white dari 15%, red dari 6%, safflower 19%, pigeon barley 1%, paddy rice 12%, broken rice 2%, peeled oats 2%, buckwheat 1%, brown linseed 1%, pellet I.C.⁺ 3%
Analytical constituents
crude protein 11%, crude fat 7%, crude fibre 6.5%, crude ash 2.5%, carbohydrates 61%, lysine 0.34%, methionine 0.24%, threonine 0.35%, tryptophan 0.11%, cystine 0.2%, calcium 0.09%, phosphorus 0.27%, sodium 0.02%
Additives/kg
Nutritional additives
3a672a vitamin A 1350 IU, E671 vitamin D3 270 IU, 3a700 vitamin E 7.5 mg, vitamin C 1.5 mg, E1 ferrous sulphate, monohydrate 3 mg, 3b202 calcium iodate, anhydrous 0.25 mg, E4 cupric sulphate, pentahydrate 1 mg, E5 manganous oxide 8 mg, E6 zinc oxide 7.5 mg, E8 sodium selenite 0.03 mg, 3 b 8.10 organic form of selenium (produced by Saccharomyces cerevisiae CNCM I-3060) 0.08 mg, L-carnitine 0.6 mg
Feed your pigeons with Plus I.C.+, a grain mixture supplemented with extruded Plus I.C.+ pellets specifically for pigeons.
Plus I.C.+ pellets provide the following major benefits:
A complete feed with the ideal quantities of protein, fat and carbohydrates adapted for each season
Supplemented with all the necessary vitamins, minerals and amino acids
Better immunity and protection against diseases
Easily digestible and better use of nutrients
Enriched with all of the latest nutraceuticals (added nutritional elements)
So my 2 parts gerry 1 or 2 dupurative 1 energy is probably as close as I can get
Neil, we all have different choices on what we feed our birds. So you have to make the choice on your feeding system, is it the best nutrition to get out of your birds. The performance you want, i would say you have been doing very well. So is there a need to change your feeding system? only you will know that.
Of course I deal with many of the major brands of pet foods and they all claim to be the best. Some of the more expensive ones are very good but the cheaper ones are rubbish, filled with cheap ingredients. Some of the major companies buy out the good small brands and keep selling the food under the old established brand name but reduce the quality with cheaper ingredients. A prime example is James Wellbeloved. A well known brand that is made just 5 miles from us. It was a good food. Was brought out a few years ago now by Mars Pet Care (pedigree) and made by crown pet foods. It’s now over 44% rice and only 23% meat meal, all the ground up bits of the animal and not even fresh meat. Still sold under the Wellbeloved brand and at a premium price. The adverts telling the owners that their dog food is tailor made to their dog’s requirements are a load of rubbish. There is no way that any company can afford to make individual products. They have a range of foods available and just select which one would suit what the customer is looking for and put the dogs name on the bag, laughable really.
It’s the same with pigeon corn. Made to what the customer wants and thinks is best. The trouble is with any mix with different grains in is that pigeons will pick out what they prefer. This could be different from pigeon to pigeon. So a mixture that states that is x amount of Carb, Protein, etc is only that if the pigeon eats the exact ratio of the different grains that is said to make that composition. If it eats a few more of one grain than the other it’s not eating the said % of carb and protein. Just feeding pellets would be the only way to guarantee that they are getting the stated nutrients.
It’s the same with pigeon corn. Made to what the customer wants and thinks is best. The trouble is with any mix with different grains in is that pigeons will pick out what they prefer. This could be different from pigeon to pigeon. So a mixture that states that is x amount of Carb, Protein, etc is only that if the pigeon eats the exact ratio of the different grains that is said to make that composition. If it eats a few more of one grain than the other it’s not eating the said % of carb and protein. Just feeding pellets would be the only way to guarantee that they are getting the stated nutrients.
Back just enjoying club racing for the time being.