Temperature and training

[PeteDerby]

Normally pete when u get a single bird from training first especially with baby's it's because they can't keep up the baby's if not fully switched on go roaming during there toss ,you know this because they turn up in the batch so the single one who can't keep up returns first.

That’s a very interesting angle, Anthony and one I’d not considered before. Bloody complicated this pigeon racing lark, eh.

I think I’ll change his name to Drop Down

[CHARLTON34]

Got one here I drop the cocks and he does another 30-60 mins
As a yearling I sent him to 400 miles
Thinking he needs a longer race
He failed he arrived next morning
He’s still here and going 500 this year
If I was still just sprinting he would have gone last year
I think he will be removed July in truth

I would of thought Neil you'd have sorted this but time will tell end of ob racing, just another extra 1 to feed till then. Fair play to send him longer .

[PeteDerby]

Normally pete when u get a single bird from training first especially with baby's it's because they can't keep up the baby's if not fully switched on go roaming during there toss ,you know this because they turn up in the batch so the single one who can't keep up returns first.

That’s a very interesting angle, Anthony and one I’d not considered before. Bloody complicated this pigeon racing lark, eh.

I think I’ll change his name to Drop Down

I agree with Ant here Pete

When you have, let's say a bad training toss, and you get 1 on its own before the batch it's not because that 1 bird is a bit special. In my experience it's the exact opposite - that's the weak one that can't keep up and turns for home.
It gets a black mark against it for that, and it's closely monitored from then on

Ok, I’m understanding this more now. Here’s the question then - he’s loft flown with the rest morning and afternoon since he got hit, flown the same as the rest. He has a little trouble landing having half of his tail feathers missing from the strike, but otherwise kept up fine.

Do I put him in tomorrow’s training toss (18miles) or do I wait until his tail feathers grow back? What’s on my mind I don’t want to jump him straight in to his first ever race at 120miles when he’s got a full tail or however long they take to grow. First race is 18th April 60miles.

[Anthony webster]

I prefer a 120 mile race over 60 mile pete I wish every Yr first race was 120 to 150 miles for ob n yb this way it stops the lazy fuxkers who just put birds in un trained with attitude others will fetch them back when infact its these birds that ruin the liberation where they just fly around ,you know what it's like when u have few numptys in team they clear n the numpty pulls to one side n whole batch swings to pick it back up ,once these are lost or culled the team starts acting correctly.

[Diamond Dave]

Might sound harsh Neil, but for me I'll nickname him "Duck-Egg" at present

Correct me if i'm wrong but you're saying that he nighted out at the NRCC Fraserburgh at 412 miles?

If that's the case then correct me if i'm wrong but that's the race where you had about 5 inside 45 minutes and at least 8 on the night? And you won your Section etc in the NRCC? And i'm guessing you dominated the Section in that race?



Now, if my memory serves me correctly there's absolutely no better time to judge a pigeon then when the loft is in form - there's no excuse - literally. I'm not suggesting he should've been first bird home - but he should and could've made it on the night. For me you're right to be looking at sending him on - because it looks like the only place where he may well shine. His loftmates kicked his arse at 412 miles last year and they were yearlings too. So give him a crack, but for me he's a pr!ck until he shows me otherwise

May sound harsh but i know you're a progressive, ambitious fancier and it takes as much energy to look after a duck-egg as it does a good one

Blimey Mike that's some memory you've got mate.
I can't remember my own results let alone anyone elses!

[Anthony webster]

Iv put baby's in first race 128 miles and had over 90 percent drop together,,looking bk my worst yb races were the 60 mile ones ,2 Yr bk sent 29 late breds 107 miles first race there life had 21 on clock in 1 minute
Think u get better starting over 100 miles.

[Anthony webster]

Iv put baby's in first race 128 miles and had over 90 percent drop together,,looking bk my worst yb races were the 60 mile ones ,2 Yr bk sent 29 late breds 107 miles first race there life had 21 on clock in 1 minute
Think u get better starting over 100 miles.

Mark bulled always says we should have 2 Newark’s 95 miles for babies then nothing under Wetherby 157 miles

I think he's spot on pal

[Anthony webster]

Mark bulled always says we should have 2 Newark’s 95 miles for babies then nothing under Wetherby 157 miles

I think he's spot on pal

I think so I never use to but these last three years I worked out my Peterborough Grantham and Newark yb winners do very little as old birds
My best have just been steady never way behind the first ones by say 6/7 mins off the batch
I never really look at yb resulrs if buying from a fancier
I like just see there results split into old and young a lot can be hidden with flying ybs on a system with good health with time to road train daily how you want
I had a hen 1-8-7 fed in 3 yb races so I stopped her
She was never in the club cards again as a yearling let alone fed cards
One year after selection I had 11 cocks 7 were fed winners as old birds yet between them as ybs they had only 2 fed cards in 5 races all 7 were good old birds one was 2nd London combine another 4th London combine on top as old birds

My best old birds were best baby's from last 3 yb races but best team iv ever bred or raced are
Born may weaned June
Trained before batching
At 9,10,11 weeks old were sent with fed as trainers each time they come to top fed
As old birds 7 races won fed 5 times could of been 7 fed wins if I was told mnfc counted as a channel fed race they was best in clocking station 2 out the 3 mnfc races 12 months old
They won 43 from 49 prizes
As 2 yrs old come out was beat 2 times then topped fed n week after black Saturday I lost a load of toppers that day they was old bird champions in Wisbech club again the hens went north and won 4 first following Yr north and 1,2,3 in bbc section winning a gold medal
This team was my favourite iv ever had the stars are in stock loft now and one as bred a treble fed winner all ready.

[Anthony webster]

Cracking team you had mate

My babies are due to be hatching around 7th April there’s going to be a few hatch 1st of May from where I gave a few away from
It’s so much easier to manage them than Feb/ March
Plus I can get away with them not falling apart so quick

Mine are same be hatching thus month but think some will be weaned 2nd 3rd May,

[Anthony webster]

I think you've just gotta run with what works best for you Neil.
At my loft virtually all of the best old cocks that I can picture were all really good youngsters (all winning)
By the same token though, when Gary and Niall Gordon used to sprint with OB I know that their best OB were never the best YB.
It was often the ones who were regularly on the heels of the winners that developed into the better OB, as opposed to the best YB being the best OB

What I notice Mike
Baby's on darkness for longer than 6 weeks the best ones wasn't great yearlings all my best old birds were either not on darkness or darkness for maximum 6 weeks,,but iv had them return good as 2 Yr olds pal.