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Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2026 5:34 pm
by Diamond Dave
NeilA wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 10:35 am
Thank you Albert
It’s not easy doing it alone and all the worry of traps being open while driving to training and back
I couldnt leave my traps open like that Neil. If I go training I have to get em in when I get home but my problem is cats.
If I get caught in a traffic jam or something they have to stay out. Think the odds are better with a sparrow hawk than with a cat getting in.
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2026 7:45 pm
by NeilA
Diamond Dave wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2026 5:34 pm
NeilA wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 10:35 am
Thank you Albert
It’s not easy doing it alone and all the worry of traps being open while driving to training and back
I couldnt leave my traps open like that Neil. If I go training I have to get em in when I get home but my problem is cats.
If I get caught in a traffic jam or something they have to stay out. Think the odds are better with a sparrow hawk than with a cat getting in.
I agree
When I had that feral cat getup getting on the loft and hanging on the aviary I had to stop training lucky it was start of the season so most had been done I got the thing luckily
Had it been yb training I’m not sure what I would have done
Have you tried the weighted single bird trap people use for late comers
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 7:31 am
by Diamond Dave
Not sure if that would work Neil when you have 20 odd birds wanting to trap all at the same time.
I am happy with my sputniks and my training routines and its not so important for me to time every bird from every toss.
In the summer when it's warm and her indoors is in the garden is the only time I can leave them open.
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 7:50 am
by Anthony webster
I think baby's the more you train the better but old birds after 1st or 2nd race shouldn't really need tossing unless it's a part of ya system or birds loft fly poorly ,,if ya flying natural I understand but I think the less you train old birds now the better with the hawk n falcon situation.
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 8:40 am
by NeilA
Diamond Dave wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2026 7:31 am
Not sure if that would work Neil when you have 20 odd birds wanting to trap all at the same time.
I am happy with my sputniks and my training routines and its not so important for me to time every bird from every toss.
In the summer when it's warm and her indoors is in the garden is the only time I can leave them open.
Ok Dave
I just thought I would mention them as it seems odd to train then pigeons are locked out on return
But if it’s working for you

Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 5:01 pm
by Diamond Dave
Thanks Neil.
Sorry if my reply seemed a bit nonchalant. I am always grateful for any suggestions that might get me that bit closer to the top table but I seem to have accepted some of the constraints I have rather than consider an alternative.
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 6:44 pm
by MIke Lycett
Diamond Dave wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2026 5:34 pm
I couldnt leave my traps open like that Neil. If I go training I have to get em in when I get home but my problem is cats.
If I get caught in a traffic jam or something they have to stay out. Think the odds are better with a sparrow hawk than with a cat getting in.
It's not easy Dave, I appreciate that
The problem for me, is, that if you go training and your birds get home and can't get back into the loft until you're home, then the message you're sending them is "Why bother rushing home - I can't get inside anyway"
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 6:57 pm
by Anthony webster
Come on dave bit harsh get another key cut for them so they can let there self in pal ,,
Only joking dave having fun

Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2026 1:40 pm
by Anthony webster
Birds were hit today training I didn't see it ,but on ets 90 percent together and others like drips of blood one with center tail missing gash up belly ,,
Still 2 missing
Re: Secondary flights / BOP
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2026 2:29 pm
by NeilA
Anthony webster wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2026 1:40 pm
Birds were hit today training I didn't see it ,but on ets 90 percent together and others like drips of blood one with center tail missing gash up belly ,,
Still 2 missing
Sorry to hear that
It’s getting ridiculous I’m scared to go past 16 miles now and even then something turned my hens the other week
I hope the missing ones turn in for you Anthony