Young bird sickness

[Spieker-Loft]

So I'm not sure when the PMV had started in the UK but do you think that this caused ybs in racing pigeons ( maybe 1980).
Was it developed for chicken's which are far bigger in size & weight, do you think the 0.2 dosage is to big a dose for vaccination on racing pigeons.

I think you are vaccinating purely PVM. Our vaccination that we use has PMV/Adeno/Herpes its a tripple mixture and i think its 0.5 per bird.
Im not entirely sure if 0.2 is to big but at the same time its its mandatory to give this vaccination we are all in the same boat anyways

[CHARLTON34]

So I'm not sure when the PMV had started in the UK but do you think that this caused ybs in racing pigeons ( maybe 1980).
Was it developed for chicken's which are far bigger in size & weight, do you think the 0.2 dosage is to big a dose for vaccination on racing pigeons.

I think you are vaccinating purely PVM. Our vaccination that we use has PMV/Adeno/Herpes its a tripple mixture and i think its 0.5 per bird.
Im not entirely sure if 0.2 is to big but at the same time its its mandatory to give this vaccination we are all in the same boat anyways

I thought the triple jab was 0.3 from Tolysan?.

[Spieker-Loft]

So I'm not sure when the PMV had started in the UK but do you think that this caused ybs in racing pigeons ( maybe 1980).
Was it developed for chicken's which are far bigger in size & weight, do you think the 0.2 dosage is to big a dose for vaccination on racing pigeons.

I think you are vaccinating purely PVM. Our vaccination that we use has PMV/Adeno/Herpes its a tripple mixture and i think its 0.5 per bird.
Im not entirely sure if 0.2 is to big but at the same time its its mandatory to give this vaccination we are all in the same boat anyways

I thought the triple jab was 0.3 from Tolysan?.

You might be right it might be 0.3 my father takes care of this sorry. I just know our vaccination plan and what we give when. For ob+yb we vaccinate against 5-6 different things to be honest

[Diamond Dave]

It seems that some are injecting for circo virus and some for roto virus. Are they one and the same...

[Murray]

It seems that some are injecting for circo virus and some for roto virus. Are they one and the same...

A circovirus is a single strand DNA virus and a Rotaviris is a double strand DNA virus. Both circular viruses but, hence 'circo', but different families.

[Devo1956]

I hope this explains Dave.

Pigeon Circovirus (PiCV) is a highly contagious DNA virus that targets the immune system of young birds (under one year). It causes immunosuppression, leaving birds vulnerable to secondary infections like canker, respiratory issues, and E. coli. Symptoms include weight loss, greenish diarrhea, vomiting, and a fluid-filled crop.

Rotavirus in racing pigeons is a highly contagious disease primarily affecting young birds, often serving as a primary driver of Young Pigeon Disease. It triggers severe symptoms such as green diarrhea, vomiting, a slow crop, and a loss of appetite. The virus causes rapid liver damage, with death occurring within 12 to 24 hours of initial illness

[Andy]

I have to say, we all have different views on any topic. But on this topic, i will always go with prevention. This sport requires healthy birds to compete in racing, If your birds are healthy, then you have a chance on winning a race. Or being at the top half of the sheet, this is or should be the main aim every week. And remember you are in a 365 day sport, so the health of the birds are paramount.

Prevention comes in all different forms in this sport, Dont train in bad weather, Feed a good quality food the is easy to digest. Making sure your loft is clean, and that plenty of fresh air entering the loft. Clean your drinkers and feeders, Vaccinations if used are recorded, these are just some of the things to help in prevention.

Can’t remember the last time I cleaned out my drinkers. I just tip them out twice a day and refill them. The feeders haven’t been done since the start of the season

[Murray]

I clean my drinkers when they get so grubby looking that I can stand looking at them.
I'm like Andy, I rinse and fill them every day, twice in the summer because the water gets too hot to drink.

[Diamond Dave]

I hope this explains Dave.

Pigeon Circovirus (PiCV) is a highly contagious DNA virus that targets the immune system of young birds (under one year). It causes immunosuppression, leaving birds vulnerable to secondary infections like canker, respiratory issues, and E. coli. Symptoms include weight loss, greenish diarrhea, vomiting, and a fluid-filled crop.

Rotavirus in racing pigeons is a highly contagious disease primarily affecting young birds, often serving as a primary driver of Young Pigeon Disease. It triggers severe symptoms such as green diarrhea, vomiting, a slow crop, and a loss of appetite. The virus causes rapid liver damage, with death occurring within 12 to 24 hours of initial illness

Thanks Dev - so they are not the same.
Does anyone know if it Is is documented anywhere which one the birds contract first?
From the descriptions you have posted Dev it seems like the rota virus is a cause of the circovirus.
I'm no vet but if ppl are using the "RP" vaccine, then they are not preventing the initial infection which is likely to be circovirus.
While a don't want to make myself look a 'tit' over this, I would like to have a better understanding of ybs.
So I have to ask why ppl are not treating for circovirus instead of rotavirus and is it because it is supposedly and reportably brought on by 'stress' which probably cannot be treated with drugs because stress is not a virus.

[Devo1956]

I hope this explains Dave.

Pigeon Circovirus (PiCV) is a highly contagious DNA virus that targets the immune system of young birds (under one year). It causes immunosuppression, leaving birds vulnerable to secondary infections like canker, respiratory issues, and E. coli. Symptoms include weight loss, greenish diarrhea, vomiting, and a fluid-filled crop.

Rotavirus in racing pigeons is a highly contagious disease primarily affecting young birds, often serving as a primary driver of Young Pigeon Disease. It triggers severe symptoms such as green diarrhea, vomiting, a slow crop, and a loss of appetite. The virus causes rapid liver damage, with death occurring within 12 to 24 hours of initial illness

Thanks Dev - so they are not the same.
Does anyone know if it Is is documented anywhere which one the birds contract first?
From the descriptions you have posted Dev it seems like the rota virus is a cause of the circovirus.
I'm no vet but if ppl are using the "RP" vaccine, then they are not preventing the initial infection which is likely to be circovirus.
While a don't want to make myself look a 'tit' over this, I would like to have a better understanding of ybs.
So I have to ask why ppl are not treating for circovirus instead of rotavirus and is it because it is supposedly and reportably brought on by 'stress' which probably cannot be treated with drugs because stress is not a virus.

If you look at a bird picking up a virus, and then there is a secondary virus. This is what can cause the death to the birds, by it effecting the liver. Myself i think all birds should be vaccinated, if they are going to mix with other members birds. Give probiotics such as Probac to decrease the impact of the disease. This is not a treatment for sick birds, but if a bird is exposed to Circo virus while it is on probiotics it is much harder for the virus, or at least an overwhelming dose of the virus, to infect that bird.