Paratyphoid

[CHARLTON34]

I disagree massively with you

Ant if your birds DON'T have Paratyphoid, What is it that you are treating the birds for? You CAN'T treat for something the birds DON'T have.

If you listen to vet by treating your keeping the parathyroid at a level .

If you vaccinate then surely your going to build up antibodies to fight any outbreak or infection, I'm happy to be advised by the vet to do the take up of the vaccine. I will follow this structured advice given, so I'm happy to continue.

[king]

I disagree massively with you

Ant if your birds DON'T have Paratyphoid, What is it that you are treating the birds for? You CAN'T treat for something the birds DON'T have.

If you listen to vet by treating your keeping the parathyroid at a level .

Ant I understood everything the Vet said. The topic was should fanciers treat for Paratyphoid. Many fanciers have never treated for it and are still successful. If a fancier has it and it is a problem then treat, but for many fanciers Paratyphoid isn't a problem.
I've never had my birds tested in 50+ years. I don't know if they are carriers and still look fine, or don't have it. I never won as many races as others but I did win races where the birds needed to be healthy 400/500 miles and 370 miles for ybs. My stock may have Paratyphoid but it's never been a problem my birds are still flying well for others in the longer races. That's why I don't treat for it.
The part you disagreed with was factually true. You can't treat for something you don't have, and vaccination doesn't stop your birds getting infected. Since you are treating yours you must know yours or some of yours are carriers?

[king]

If you listen to vet by treating your keeping the parathyroid at a level .

If you vaccinate then surely your going to build up antibodies to fight any outbreak or infection, I'm happy to be advised by the vet to do the take up of the vaccine. I will follow this structured advice given, so I'm happy to continue.

That’s what i thought like the Covid vac it was never going to stop you getting it just protect you by your immune system

Yes Neil that exactly how vaccines work. But the flu & covid vaccines give you a small dose of flu/covid to stimulate your immune system to produce antibodies.
But if the Vet is correct and says over 50% of birds are infected with Paratyphoid, what's the point vaccinating for Paratyphoid as birds that are carriers immune system are ALREADY producing antibodies?

[king]

If you listen to vet by treating your keeping the parathyroid at a level .

Ant I understood everything the Vet said. The topic was should fanciers treat for Paratyphoid. Many fanciers have never treated for it and are still successful. If a fancier has it and it is a problem then treat, but for many fanciers Paratyphoid isn't a problem.
I've never had my birds tested in 50+ years. I don't know if they are carriers and still look fine, or don't have it. I never won as many races as others but I did win races where the birds needed to be healthy 400/500 miles and 370 miles for ybs. My stock may have Paratyphoid but it's never been a problem my birds are still flying well for others in the longer races. That's why I don't treat for it.
The part you disagreed with was factually true. You can't treat for something you don't have, and vaccination doesn't stop your birds getting infected. Since you are treating yours you must know yours or some of yours are carriers?

Could it not be Anthony treating blind like we or some of do for say respiratory as we don’t really know if we have it mild
Maybe Anthony doing that King and not because he has carriers
I treat blind for it and wouldn’t have a clue if I had carriers though as I don’t understand it all enough
I never have had black eggs or lumps but I guess I could still have carriers

You may be right Neil, I don't know if Ant has ever had his birds tested? I too have never had birds with lumps or have black eggs. The Vet does say stiff joints in wings and legs is a sign, but that's a very common sign for a lack of Calcium. And there are many reasons why the odd egg doesn't hatch. Not like Steve where not 1 single youngster from the 8 pairs survived.

[Anthony webster]

I follow a vets advice king
Baby's in June get treated 10 days and vaccinated for parathyroid then after each moult every bird here gets a 10 day treatment for parathyroid,,normally in September I get cultures done and iv never once had any detected but as vet says it can hide away in areas behind joints not being detected so that's why I blind treat every winter ,,I won't change most yrs I get good results and lads who get my baby's normally do very well with them racing so I won't change ,,just a example
Simon Hughes got 6 baby's 1 he's dog killed 4 won one was treble fed winners
Stevie Goulding bred 4 baby's 3 raced great 2 won and one very good one treble fed winner 2nd 3rd north west combine 14 top fed cards n combine money winner 200quid
Steve Surrey 10 baby's now they have over 26x1st first feds first yearling classic nrcc and minimum of 5 section wins but probably more
So how can I stop doing what I do pal .

[king]

I follow a vets advice king
Baby's in June get treated 10 days and vaccinated for parathyroid then after each moult every bird here gets a 10 day treatment for parathyroid,,normally in September I get cultures done and iv never once had any detected but as vet says it can hide away in areas behind joints not being detected so that's why I blind treat every winter ,,I won't change most yrs I get good results and lads who get my baby's normally do very well with them racing so I won't change ,,just a example
Simon Hughes got 6 baby's 1 he's dog killed 4 won one was treble fed winners
Stevie Goulding bred 4 baby's 3 raced great 2 won and one very good one treble fed winner 2nd 3rd north west combine 14 top fed cards n combine money winner 200quid
Steve Surrey 10 baby's now they have over 26x1st first feds first yearling classic nrcc and minimum of 5 section wins but probably more
So how can I stop doing what I do pal .

Yes Ant you should do what works for, you be a fool to change.

[Steve Howells]

That must have been awful Steve
So you treated and they came through that looking ok then the same issue returned
If you didn’t breed say flew celibacy other than the lumps how would you go about detecting it . I have very little knowledge on this subject so very interesting for me

I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but treating is no guarantee of clearing it from the birds. I honestly don’t believe you’d have carriers in the flock and see no symptoms within the course of the year, and the vets who tell us 80% of pigeons are carriers are normally the ones selling a cure. Ultimately everyone is free to do what they think best, so good luck to everyone regardless to which path you take.

[Anthony webster]

Pha vaccine lot of friends use it but my pal who's up two date with everything in pigeons and drug testing said
The herpes and adeano in vaccine is so minimal at present because there's not a vaccine made yet with proper cover for them 2 things.
But he said the rp vac is brilliant the cover for rotaviruis in rp vac is brilliant and that's why all top one lofts use rp vaccine.

[Anthony webster]

The RP vaccine is fantastic 3 years now no issues with youngsters
I had 3/4 mopped up for a few days then fine
Ricky told me about and I wasn’t sure but it’s great

Same m8 fantastic 2023 late breds didn't get treatments they got rp vaccine twice then salgen vaccine n paraboost control been a great team for late breds there's still a good amount here now .

[CHARLTON34]

Neil, dead eggs or black eggs happens when Salmonella is transmitted through the hen's reproductive organ's or cloaca & kills the embryo inside.
Embryonic death chick turns black inside the egg which results in the appearance of black egg's.
The young die in the nest going light between 10/14 days of age.