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Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:55 am
by MIL
I agree Neil
Of course, one could always be an idealist athough and pat oneself on the back every Saturday night and say "I did that all on my own" as they are holding up the sheet
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:55 am
by NeilA
Andy wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:17 am
NeilA wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:47 pm
Andy wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:28 pm
I never treat mine for canker or worms. Only had canker in 2 pigeons in 50 years. Both disposed of.
How would you know Andy other than the obvious yellow in the throat ?
Through observation Neil. You should know within seconds of walking in the loft if there is any problem. The most important time to detect any problems is the minute you walk towards and into the loft, that’s if you know your pigeons. If all is well no need to worry.
All these medications have no residual effect and all have side effects. You could treat your birds today and get rid of what you’re trying to clear but within a couple of days they can pick it up again and the treatment you had given a few days precious would have no effect. Look at all the side effects in the drugs we can take. Many people are on a combination of drugs just to reduce the side effects of each other. Yes I could treat because someone tells me it’s what I need to do but without testing treat for what. I did a few years ago get my birds tested by a well known firm because I felt things weren’t quite right. They came back with nothing but told me to treat with this that and another just incase. I did but made no difference. A certain level of bacteria is needed for the pigeons immune system and there are loads in the gut that help breakdown the food. Treating with antibiotics kills them all.
Others can treat and waste their money as much as they want but after years of working with many different forms of livestock I know there’s no point. The biggest thing in our armoury is obsivation.
I’m not sure I could detect canker in a mild form to be honest I’m not talking about when it gets to the yellow lumps I don’t think I could detect mild respo or fungus either thinking about it or maybe not hair worms as Steve advised they can be small
I would have to look at performance on the Saturday if there suddenly 5 mins behind in the club then I would know something isn’t right and then have to use a all in one or get the test kit sent off to treat . I just couldn’t win here on the sprints if there off in anyway
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:56 am
by NeilA
I’m not blinded by treating constantly Andy it’s only 3 months of the year on a cycle
I just know I need my birds in perfect health for 3 months a year without that they can’t perform sprinting week to week the other months from now there be wormed twice and canker twice so not a great deal
I don’t believe many could detect a mild respo issue for example but it could be enough to take 5 min off your time
I look for things in training how they clear as a guide and the obvious droppings but I do think they can have worms and canker and respo to a mild level that doesn’t get detected and when people are off the pace they blame others like the amount another bloke sends where it could be there not in the very best health that they could be
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:56 am
by NeilA
George and Morgan wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:53 am
what are members thoughts on cleaning nest bowls when breeding
I don’t clean the bowl but do the box but not each day
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:43 pm
by Buster121
George and Morgan wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:53 am
what are members thoughts on cleaning nest bowls when breeding
I clean nest bowls every day after ringing babies until then never touch them
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:46 pm
by NeilA
Within 5 mins ?
if I don’t have 4/5 together or in 2/3 mins something is wrong I have had 8 together from 13 sent to win the fed so 5 mins here is a life time take last year I had 5 drop trap great and got split in the result
If I send 20 I will have 10-12 in 10-15 min
So it’s not like I wait long for the team and my competition is the same well the good ones are
when I look at others clocks sheets I can’t help think people could move 75 per cent in ( sprint lofts ) and not hurt there results as most are homers , pets really mine included I have rubbish each year
Of course you get the odd good one come 30-40 late but that doesn’t mean it’s sick if that happens regular I would cull the pigeon unless it’s been a good one then look into why this is happening and treat it . I always have a test kit to hand .
It’s easy here Andy get treated perfectly be sent perfect health perform or go
I can’t win here with worms , canker etc it just wouldn’t happen it would be a fluke
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:52 pm
by CHARLTON34
Neil, pigeons are all mixed at the club in the crates to go on the transporter, on return even if they came back in your expected arrival time would you treat them at all or do you follow say canker, respo, coxi, worms giving something over say a 4 week period to stay on top of things.
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:15 pm
by NeilA
CHARLTON34 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:52 pm
Neil, pigeons are all mixed at the club in the crates to go on the transporter, on return even if they came back in your expected arrival time would you treat them at all or do you follow say canker, respo, coxi, worms giving something over say a 4 week period to stay on top of things.
All on a cycle for the 3 months or so they race
Canker every 4-6 weeks respo 2-3 weeks worms 6-7 weeks then again 10 days after fungi 2 in weeks in 3
I write it down in March with dates length of treatment and product to use and pin it up so I don’t forget
I also have a test kit sent off each month for the basics as I’m no good with a microscope so can change the treatment plan depending on the test results
Re: Canker treatment
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:35 pm
by NeilA
Think i answered that Andy?
On my system they should all be in good health as I treat and test
If a pigeon is late constantly it goes if one of my best suddenly comes late regular 2-3 weeks I send a test kit off for it so
They have to be in the top 2-3 per cent of the convoy 3 times in 10 races as a yearling to stay these are sprinting not going to the distance so they need to win from April onwards if I raced longer races which I will be then of course I wouldn’t judge them this harsh
I see it they have the best chance u can give them on my limited budget
Like I say my system is simple no excuses for them I find it easier than making excuses then next year being behind again then repeating the same the following year