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You are of course entitled to your opinion as am I and everyone else.
Tell us, if the propositions submitted by you and your friends fail, will you try again or will you take your ball home and snipe from forums such as this?

Ha ha - none taken mate!
If I was a younger man I would defo look into forming a break-away group. Perhaps I could recruit your goodself in a consultancy role to advise as what not to do!
Nothing personal Bowbroom just trying to lighten the thread a little.
Can you not just bring yourself to admit that the RPRA needs modernising?
I do agree with one of your philosophies in that ppl need to get off their backsides if they want things done I took that advice and that is what I thought I had done but now, the very fact that you are suggesting I have to wait another YEAR just goes to show you how ridiculous the system really is.
The reality is that if even a comma is out of place, you would have to wait that long before going through the cycle again!
The crux of it all is that it doesnt matter how clever your ideas may be, if it doesnt suit the hierachy and if there is a danger of it changing its self protecting system, then it isnt going to happen. PLAIN STUPID.

Misconception and misunderstanding are dangerous things, of course I agree that every organisation formed over 100 years ago needs to be amended to concur with and suit the present prevailing situation, it’s the way it’s done that is important to avoid or at least minimise damage to the organisation.
As far as the RPRA is concerned steady change should have been the order of the day but it hasn’t fake the rules for example, if memory serves
Council spent £10k some years ago to have them reviewed and reordered by Solicitors all that really happened was that they were renumbered and given sectional headings, of course they should be reassessed
All this discussion will pale into insignificance if the membership levels continue to fall to unsustainable levels
If you go to the AGM let me know and I may buy you a coffee. .

Bowbroom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:26 am You are of course entitled to your opinion as am I and everyone else.
Tell us, if the propositions submitted by you and your friends fail, will you try again or will you take your ball home and snipe from forums such as this?

Who is your question aimed at ?

Bowbroom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:26 pm Misconception and misunderstanding are dangerous things, of course I agree that every organisation formed over 100 years ago needs to be amended to concur with and suit the present prevailing situation, it’s the way it’s done that is important to avoid or at least minimise damage to the organisation.
As far as the RPRA is concerned steady change should have been the order of the day but it hasn’t fake the rules for example, if memory serves
Council spent £10k some years ago to have them reviewed and reordered by Solicitors all that really happened was that they were renumbered and given sectional headings, of course they should be reassessed
All this discussion will pale into insignificance if the membership levels continue to fall to unsustainable levels
If you go to the AGM let me know and I may buy you a coffee. .

TBH Bowbroom, I didnt even know I coild go along to the AGM, in any case. I feel as though any contribution I could have made will fall upon deaf ears.
I also worry that I may be somewhat outspoken whether invited to speak or not!
I would've enjoyed that coffee with you but it will have to be at some other time.
Atb.

Any member can attend the AGM, unless you were a Regional delegate to council you would not be able to take part in the business conducted but you would be welcomed as an observer to see how matters are conducted and in your case see first hand what happens to the propositions submitted by you and your friends.

Bowbroom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:40 pm Any member can attend the AGM, unless you were a Regional delegate to council you would not be able to take part in the business conducted but you would be welcomed as an observer to see how matters are conducted and in your case see first hand what happens to the propositions submitted by you and your friends.

Why do you keep referring to you and your friends ? Its rather condescending.
Many of these people have never met....you don't have to be friends to have the same view point. I have certainly never met Dave.

I take it from your invite your a councillor ??

I’m sorry you find my reference to friends condescending that was not my intention, however I find it somewhat unusual that unknowns don’t simply have the same point of view but manage to submit propositions to Council that are verbatim?
If no contact has ever been made between you how can this be ?

Bowbroom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:19 pm I’m sorry you find my reference to friends condescending that was not my intention, however I find it somewhat unusual that unknowns don’t simply have the same point of view but manage to submit propositions to Council that are verbatim?
If no contact has ever been made between you how can this be ?

I've answered this question previously on the post. In the modern world it's simple and based on a democratic process. We used You tube to talk about the issues as we (i and others) see it. That resulted in a few people getting in touch via you tube, facebook etc asking how they could put forward proposals. Most of these individuals needed assistance. So 'we' did another you tube video and published a group of proposed rule changes so anyone who thought they were a good idea and wanted to support them could simply download them and submit. There's nothing strange in that. It's an open transparent approach. People aren't directly approached. There was no scheming. It was a simple case of people takling about their opinions and then the same people helping those who supported those opinions submit a proposal. The fact that two (actually I beleive more) regions received the same proposal is simply down to the fact that more than one club supported that opinion/proposal.

I've answered all your questions. Now would you do me the courtesy of answering mine.

So you and others were the authors of the propositions and others such as Dave followed your lead,, copied and pasted etc and submitted what you had written word for word.
Effectively others did what you had suggested, I’m sorry but I’m struggling to describe what has clearly happened without using words that you will undoubtedly object to.
I shall not be commenting further as it is clearly pointless, all will out on the 28th and I will accept the result whatever it is, will you?