Secondary flights / BOP

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MIke Lycett wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:16 pm
king wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 4:13 pm
What Mike something you don't know?

There's plenty that I don't know and I'm very happy to acknowledge that

It's a great strength, not a weakness to say "I don't know"

What I won't do though is to go away and regurgitate something that I don't understand and have no knowledge of in order to try to make myself look good. What invariably happens is that the author makes himself look like a prize plum

I don't care what Google says. When I work with Products (for instance) I base my knowledge on what they've done in my own experience. I'll often use a product in a way that the Manufacturer doesn't directly advise. I care about what it CAN DO not what it's advised to do

There's a massive difference

That's what sorts the winners from the dreamers I guess
Hey Mike, Im really not lookin for any confrontation but the way this thread has gone it seems like this post is targeted at me????
In case it is, I would just like to say you have me all wrong mate.
If I google something it is so that I dont have to be ignorant of any particular fact for my own benefit.
You couldnt be further away from 'me' if you think that I google it to make myself look good - but then you dont know me do you.
I really do appreciate yours and everyone elses comments and hang on most of the things you say but if I want to clarify things for myself, rest assured I will and if that means regurgitating google then so be it!
Hope you dont feel the need to take umbridge to me pointing this out and that theres no harm done and I can still ask for and receive yours and everyone elses advice.
All the best.
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NeilA wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 8:18 pm
Anthony webster wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 8:15 pm I'm thinking of letting these east winds Goe before I start rd training mine pal
Year before last we had 5 weeks of them out of 7
I think winds changed the west isn’t so dominate to late June now when it use to be if you don’t get a few east in April your not getting many
I love racing on them Neil just want to start my training with no east in wind pal ,plus mine have had no treatments don't want to block there head up before I get them rocking and rolling pal,,east or west don't suit me I'm just over middle of fed and pretty central so just need birds at front of race .
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MIke Lycett wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 8:21 pm
Diamond Dave wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 8:16 pm

Hey Mike, Im really not lookin for any confrontation but the way this thread has gone it seems like this post is targeted at me????
In case it is, I would just like to say you have me all wrong mate.
If I google something it is so that I dont have to be ignorant of any particular fact for my own benefit.
You couldnt be further away from 'me' if you think that I google it to make myself look good - but then you dont know me do you.
I really do appreciate yours and everyone elses comments and hang on most of the things you say but if I want to clarify things for myself, rest assured I will and if that means regurgitating google then so be it!
Hope you dont feel the need to take umbridge to me pointing this out and that theres no harm done and I can still ask for and receive yours and everyone elses advice.
All the best.


Wasn't referring to you at all Dave. If I was having a pop at you Dave you'd know it
It was me Dave he was having a pop at.
Mike I may have googled information I didn't know, but never posted anything that I didn't understand. I don't google to make myself look good as you say but to try and help answer a question posted. Like you Mike, I too don't know it all. I've no problem with others holding a different view to mine, but unlike you, I have NEVER tried to belittle anybody who I disagree with. Mike if you or others don't want a different view point, just let me know?
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I probably rub every one up the wrong way ,just hope no one is going to bathroom n having a rub about me lol lol
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NeilA wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 11:49 am Do sparrow hawks pull secondary flights in the way peregrine do when they attempt a kill
Any I have killed by a sparrowhawk in the past I have not seen the secondary missing
I went training and a hen returned with missing secondary’s
I also noticed they hadn’t scoffed half the grub I left for them and this is normally cleared instantly

I had a job so I couldn’t get straight back but arrived about 90 mins after to find a big female sparrow hawk perched next to my stock aviary
So i thought did she make a grab for one as they landed but just don’t recall seeing one without flights from an attack in the garden before
When you say they had'nt eaten half thier grub, the s/hawk was probably having a look in, and at this time of year, it will go in to the loft and kill, and if it is a sputnik like trap, the s/hawk can easily get back out.
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NeilA wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 9:40 am
Albert wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 9:13 am
NeilA wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 11:49 am Do sparrow hawks pull secondary flights in the way peregrine do when they attempt a kill
Any I have killed by a sparrowhawk in the past I have not seen the secondary missing
I went training and a hen returned with missing secondary’s
I also noticed they hadn’t scoffed half the grub I left for them and this is normally cleared instantly

I had a job so I couldn’t get straight back but arrived about 90 mins after to find a big female sparrow hawk perched next to my stock aviary
So i thought did she make a grab for one as they landed but just don’t recall seeing one without flights from an attack in the garden before
When you say they had'nt eaten half thier grub, the s/hawk was probably having a look in, and at this time of year, it will go in to the loft and kill, and if it is a sputnik like trap, the s/hawk can easily get back out.

It’s a small box aviary trap Albert enough to bath them
Bobs on the board length of a pad so I guess 12 inch or so
But yes it could well have looked through the bobs
The bobs may hold it back, but at this time of year the s/hawk is desperate, and behaves a bit different from the rest of the year. Just be on your guard, when you come back to the loft, just encase it braves the bob wires and is in, you wouldn't want to miss an oppertunity.
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Wouldn't want you to miss the chance to handle, one of these magnificeint birds, and see how little body they carry.
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I wouldn't be taking a picture I be looking through a scope at it poxy thing
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Was talking to Alan Parker who lives up in Lancashire yesterday, he's getting hammered by a Goshawk
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NeilA wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 10:35 am Thank you Albert
It’s not easy doing it alone and all the worry of traps being open while driving to training and back
I couldnt leave my traps open like that Neil. If I go training I have to get em in when I get home but my problem is cats.
If I get caught in a traffic jam or something they have to stay out. Think the odds are better with a sparrow hawk than with a cat getting in.
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