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I think Kings Brown was different When the chocolate meulemans were flavour of the month in the Louella single flight area was full of chocolate paired to chocolate to guarantee the colour of the offspring

MIke Lycett wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 4:19 pm I'd call that a Chocolate Pied

Chocolate isn't a colour, it's what many call Recessive Reds like the birds you get in the old Grooters or Meulemans. The pied or white your seeing Mike in my brown is actually Grizzle.

The chocolate Karel Meulemans were usually produced from pencils and usually went in the stock loft I believe

Bowbroom wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 5:43 pm The chocolate Karel Meulemans were usually produced from pencils and usually went in the stock loft I believe

Yes the original fanciers who had them never paired birds to breed Recessive Reds intentionally, they would breed them randomly. When LPW got them that changed to intentionally producing the colour. LPW did the same with many families over the years, including Kirkpatrick's (Yellows), Krauth's (Blacks) ect.

They were valued as breeders by meulemans apparently, as King says they only occasionally appeared they were not turned out en masse commercialy as was the case with Louella

NeilA wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:03 pm

Bowbroom wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:01 pm They were valued as breeders by meulemans apparently, as King says they only occasionally appeared they were not turned out en masse commercialy as was the case with Louella

Did Babbington have any ?
I read his book ages ago i remember stunning pigeons more blue / pencils

I’ve also got his book at home somewhere,a long time since I looked at it but I can’t remember the mention of chocolates, bred for colour rather than performance a bit like the yellows mentioned earlier, and dare I say the grizzles of today, but hey whatever floats people’s boat.

NeilA wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:22 pm

Steve Howells wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:20 pm

NeilA wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:03 pm

Did Babbington have any ?
I read his book ages ago i remember stunning pigeons more blue / pencils

I’ve also got his book at home somewhere,a long time since I looked at it but I can’t remember the mention of chocolates, bred for colour rather than performance a bit like the yellows mentioned earlier, and dare I say the grizzles of today, but hey whatever floats people’s boat.

Agree Steve
Grizzles are taking over the world
I have held out and kept to my boring old stuff

I do like a grizzle but haven’t had one for best part of 40years. Working hard not to give in to temptation

Winners come in all shapes, sizes and colours, as they used to say, “a good pigeon is not a bad colour”

Can these pretty pigeons win question ,
Was told by older flyers good looking pigeons are like good looking women good at f all .

May be Mike but in 20 yrs iv seen 1 grizzle in all the clubs that could race iv never seen a chocolate or a yellow in fact iv never seen a yellow get home for lad that kept them ,,
Iv seen odd shalie n odd mosiac but can count one one hand in 20 years.