Where

[NeilA]

Maybe PM mate
As it will only open up a can of worms of what I’m doing wrong etc

[jack walker]

Hi Neil and Mike i have over the last 6 or 8 months gone through your posts on feeding and ideas trying to find bits to help me with my birds glad i read the post before it was deleted cheers jack

[NeilA]

Hi Neil and Mike i have over the last 6 or 8 months gone through your posts on feeding and ideas trying to find bits to help me with my birds glad i read the post before it was deleted cheers jack

You can pm me any time Jack
I find on here at times I get told I’m wrong or no need to do what I do
So I thought just delete it rather than being open and get the normal comments from others
Just welcome to the exact system I used previously that worked great to 250 miles

[MIL]

Will reply tomorrow mate if thats ok

Had only just got in from Spin earlier and been a busy night

[Murray]

Hi Neil and Mike i have over the last 6 or 8 months gone through your posts on feeding and ideas trying to find bits to help me with my birds glad i read the post before it was deleted cheers jack

You can pm me any time Jack
I find on here at times I get told I’m wrong or no need to do what I do
So I thought just delete it rather than being open and get the normal comments from others
Just welcome to the exact system I used previously that worked great to 250 miles

Welcome to my world!

[MIL]

Thank you Mike it’s very kind of you

I look at fanciers with drops each week and think I need to try to get to that level I was close on my old feeding but not week in week out I had 7 drop to win the fed in old birds and 5 . I have closed the 18 cocks up in 11 mins from 157 miles but I need to do better snd more consistent with it
plus I have a eye to 200-400 at some point so I need to find a way to be competitive at sprints and have a go at the others with the same pigeons with a up and down race programme
So I’m hopeful this change will do both
It’s a finding out season for me
I Did the little change you suggested for today and will keep to that
The pigeons feel light which I like and then I think how are you do you feel light when you have stuffed yourselves for 7 days
So it’s new to me
I’m still weighing before and after but after to only to find a pattern they are adopting

I'm out tonight Neil so it's likely to be after midnight when I reply

I could reply sooner but would rather give a thorough answer really

I'll see what the day brings

[MIL]

Thank you Mike it’s very kind of you

I look at fanciers with drops each week and think I need to try to get to that level I was close on my old feeding but not week in week out I had 7 drop to win the fed in old birds and 5 . I have closed the 18 cocks up in 11 mins from 157 miles but I need to do better snd more consistent with it

Concentrate on this bit first

We're still in April, but I've already sent you Federation results where some guys are not only winning the Federation but they're dominating the sheet with a lot of pigeons recorded in a short amount of time. These same guys were also doing the same thing last year and the year before. Your mate Dave is one example who'll batter a lot of pigeons over the ETS in rapid succession. As you point out you've flirted with the same kind of mass arrival albeit not as often as you'd like. You're very right to aspire to be like that because it shows desire and ambition

The guys who are doing this are masters of their craft really. It's not like they are sending the most pigeons in the Federation because they are not. These guys are operating in different parts of the UK. Their radius's can vary from long and wide to short and compact. They're flying different families of pigeons, so its not like we're saying that one particular family is better than all the others. We all know that there are good and bad in all families.

So, what are they doing?

Well. firstly a lot of these guys are on the shorter side of the Federation, that's one thing (though they aren't alone in that so you still gotta tip your hat to them). These guys are not getting these performances by flying their birds around the loft daily. They aren't. They're being trained - and regularly. Now, that's one thing but its not the be all and end all. I can point to hundreds of fanciers who train during the week but don't get the mass arrivals. Irrespective of how many you spend you've got to be looking at getting at least 1/3rd of the birds you send arriving together - that's the accepted threshold.

It's how you train and how you feed which is the crucial thing.
They're often put up in small numbers (say 8-10) and they're encouraged to stick like glue to each other and therefore keep the pace high. That breeds confidence, and when they do it often enough in training it's natural for them to replicate it on a race day too.

The diet and the feed is also crucial. These guys are feeding different mixtures but the general policy is the same. It's light and easily digested but offers them everything that they require. They follow the tried and trusted method of bringing them up to the peak at the weekend. It's not the feeding that's revolutionary

They just have fundamentally bloody good pigeons. Pigeons that are bred from winners that have won themselves or are breeding pigeons to perform regularly. It goes without saying the the health has to be spot on too. All different approaches are taken (not just 1 product being used), but they're all on the front foot being super aggressive about being proactive not reactive

All this combined makes these guys masters of their craft, and that's why they're hard to handle on a Saturday

[NeilA]

When you say training
Do you mean daily if so do the partners see each other every time I always thought it would be to much with to much contact plus with yearlings I thought it important to find a partner at home
So if I trained 3 days a week would they not drop off Saturday from seeing the hen to often

[MIL]

They don’t see the partners training

Training is all about making the fit ‘super fit’

[NeilA]

They don’t see the partners training

Training is all about making the fit ‘super fit’

Even yearlings don’t need to learn at this stage
Say for the next two weeks ?