NeilA wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:33 pm
I just am not sure mate on there strength
I will check that bloke but I just think they train to corn like brainwashing babies then it’s in the pigeons
Not saying I am right just my gut
It’s new to me it’s only this last year I looked at American fanciers but I’m far from convinced
Ya I agree with some of the flyers but I see same type of flyers in south Africa race same method but in Africa pro one loft race its birds from these country's that show most European top lofts up ,,
My friend flew the USA system 2022 he won 106 fed cards thing is he had a team on widowhood team of hens on widowhood n this man is unbelievable widowhood flyer ,but until 3rd from last race the widowhood pigeons couldn't sniff the celibacy birds .
NeilA wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:45 pm
Would you fly cocks on that USA system Anthony with what your friend achieved?
I have Neil but only as yearlings but prefer hens on the system ,,I personally think cocks are wanxers compared to hens you have to fuss them two much for my liking.
NeilA wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:45 pm
Would you fly cocks on that USA system Anthony with what your friend achieved?
I have Neil but only as yearlings but prefer hens on the system ,,I personally think cocks are wanxers compared to hens you have to fuss them two much for my liking.
NeilA wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:45 pm
Would you fly cocks on that USA system Anthony with what your friend achieved?
I have Neil but only as yearlings but prefer hens on the system ,,I personally think cocks are wanxers compared to hens you have to fuss them two much for my liking.
Was it only the trapping with the cocks from a race the issue or was there other issues
Was there flying at home ok length or did they mess about
No issues m8 flew great at home they dropped fast but my pads are in correct place so they must walk through to clock the issue was they would stand on landing board n not rush through like the should ,,a bit like a over fed pigeon spinning on board looking to chase something else ,,see I think trapping is so important few yrs bk I had 29 yearlings come together the following week I had 29 again but only 20 were mine 9 were other peoples that had latched on to my birds 10 hens pulled straight in loft 2,3 seconds the others went around with strays n landed some went straight in some fuked about on board results was I took first 10 but the other 10 didn't make first 30 in club the race was that close so them not finishing perfect cost me.
NeilA wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:44 am
I see
So at night they were fine when called down just not in a rush to go in on race day but arrived ok time wise
I was thinking I’m dreading them messing me about at night when I have to get ybs out etc
Did you let them have a nest in say January then split and never see a hen again or did you race them like a yb to a perch without a bond to a particular box
The birds that nest trap perfect the ones that don't ain't as fast in loft pal
NeilA wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:57 am
So I think pair these like normal let them sit 15 days
I might use stock hens to make up numbers as I have about 8 to many cocks
Then split so every cock is bonded then fly them celibacy from that point on
I was going to let them run Saturdays together
Now I’m thinking give them 4 weeks without running together as a trial as I remember your other post that when your mate let them mix they went down hill
My pals prep before racing I don't exactly know he was in hospital and when out he didn't breed of birds he's wife and dtr looked after birds they was brilliant until he showed a bowl followed by a hen he didn't win anything after that but won first 6 races just to box ,flew cocks only .
Found a post by Terry on another forum. Restructured it for the highlights. Don’t think it makes 100% sense but you’ll get the gist. Not a true celibate system but that’s what makes pigeon racing great, you can do what you want!
The Celibate System (Overview and Management Routine)
In the Celibate System, cocks are housed in a 16-foot section that is fully boxed out. Each cock is free to choose its own box; none are forced onto a particular perch. Adjacent to the cocks, the hens are kept in their own section on V-perches, with a sliding door separating the two areas.
Feeding Routine
• Hens: Fed once daily on Super Moulting mix at approximately 1 ounce per bird.
• Cocks: Fed twice daily, receiving just over 1 ounce in total, divided into two feeds.
Morning Routine
• The hens are let out at 8 a.m. for their morning exercise.
• After the hens finish flying, they are trapped back into the cocks’ loft and fed there.
• Once feeding is completed, the cocks are released for their own exercise period.
• When the cocks are ready to return, the hens are moved back to their own section, allowing the cocks to trap in and receive their second feeding.
• The birds are then left undisturbed until 4 p.m., when the routine is repeated, except the hens receive a total of 6 ounces between roughly 30 birds for the second feeding.
Training Routine
• For the first four training tosses, cocks and hens are trained together, trap together into the cocks’ loft, and remain together for about an hour before being separated.
• After these initial four tosses, the sexes are trained separately.
• Training is usually done from around 25 miles at approximately 12 p.m.
• On the Friday before a race, hens and cocks are allowed to run together from about midday until basketing.
• After racing, all birds trap into the cocks’ loft and are left together until the following morning before being separated again.
Supplementation & Medication
• A protein powder is added to the corn on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.
• No routine treatments are used for canker, coccidiosis, or worms.
• Garlic and Airways are occasionally added to the drinking water.
Motivation Techniques
Several motivational strategies are used to sharpen form:
• Locking cocks in their boxes while hens roam freely through the loft, and vice versa.
• Using show pens placed on the floor, with a cock shown in the hens’ section and a hen shown in the cocks’ section.
• Allowing hens to become mildly “lesbian” and providing chicken eggs to stimulate nest behaviour, particularly before major races.
General Notes
• Old birds typically receive around ten training tosses early in the season. After this, no further road training is given—only loft flying.
• Race birds are never paired under this system. The motivation relies entirely on controlled separation, selective contact, and psychological stimulation rather than traditional pairing or nest-based methods.
