Any Eye Sign Specialists

[Diamond Dave]

OMG and WoW, I didnt realise I was in the presence of pigeon ROYALTY.
Very nice to meet you Mike. I will be hanging on to your evrry post from here on in.

I’m not sure about that Dave, but thank you

Just read the article Mike, - your own pedigree is one of the best I have ever seen. No need for any 'enhancement' there. Looks like you have left a legacy behind you with Pale Rider. Cant imagine what it must be like to create a dynasty such as yours.
ATB your highness. lol.

[Diamond Dave]

Well Andy, I looked into the eyes of my own birds today and tbh I was a little disappointed with what I saw.
It was a lovely sunny day and I looked with a 15X jewellers loupe and I think I made a reasonable assessment based on your basic guidelines.
For most of them, in particular the stock birds, the iris was completely full and there was "no more room in the iris for breeding". Nor was there much in the way of inner circles, let alone any wide ones, and most had quite a lot of shading. There is one or two that could be ok but I only have one hen with an eye that looks anything like the one that was posted which you said is ideal. Is there anything I can do to correct that without buying in new birds.?

[Diamond Dave]

Thanks everyone, I'm not put off at all. I'm not that new to the sport Murray, I've been flying for a good few years now but nothing compared to you guys and I've only really treated it as a hobby up until recently. Most of my birds over the years have been gift birds and I haven't been able to do them justice. I realised about 8 years ago that I want to focus on distance racing after getting a bird home from Barcelona after 7 days (I was like a little kid jumping up and down)and I have spent my time since then trying to "prove" my stock birds.
Over the last couple of years I feel as though I have just got a reliable team together for the task and thats the reason I said I was disappointed with what I saw in the eyes as I felt they would be better than that.

[Diamond Dave]

Well Andy, I looked into the eyes of my own birds today and tbh I was a little disappointed with what I saw.
It was a lovely sunny day and I looked with a 15X jewellers loupe and I think I made a reasonable assessment based on your basic guidelines.
For most of them, in particular the stock birds, the iris was completely full and there was "no more room in the iris for breeding". Nor was there much in the way of inner circles, let alone any wide ones, and most had quite a lot of shading. There is one or two that could be ok but I only have one hen with an eye that looks anything like the one that was posted which you said is ideal. Is there anything I can do to correct that without buying in new birds.?

Dave I was confused with shade and breeding lines could it be the breeding lines look like shade in the inner circle

Definately shading Neil - not all of them but most of them had elements that contradicted other elements so nothing really that Andy would suggest for breeding.

[Diamond Dave]

See if you can get a few photos Dave.
It’s difficult to judge without seeing them. If you have a hen that you say has a good eye I would pair that one to the cock with one that is a bit on the fuller side in the iris but with a decent inner circle if you have one. Don’t worry too much about the dark shading at present. Were the stock birds brought as stock birds or old racers Dave?
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Thanks Andy, I wouldn't ask you to go through all my birds eyes. My initial analysis was based on all my birds and those that have some good attributes are in the race shed while the others are in the stock shed so would be difficult to pair them.

[king]

Well Andy, I looked into the eyes of my own birds today and tbh I was a little disappointed with what I saw.
It was a lovely sunny day and I looked with a 15X jewellers loupe and I think I made a reasonable assessment based on your basic guidelines.
For most of them, in particular the stock birds, the iris was completely full and there was "no more room in the iris for breeding". Nor was there much in the way of inner circles, let alone any wide ones, and most had quite a lot of shading. There is one or two that could be ok but I only have one hen with an eye that looks anything like the one that was posted which you said is ideal. Is there anything I can do to correct that without buying in new birds.?

Dave, the race basket will tell you more about your birds than you looking into their eyes. As for your stock birds, unless your going to replace them with birds with eyes that you THINK are better. I'd just race the young from them and then just replace the ones that breed nothing.
I'll bet the best National & International flyers aren't filling their stock loft on birds based on eyesign.

[Diamond Dave]

Dave, the race basket will tell you more about your birds than you looking into their eyes. As for your stock birds, unless your going to replace them with birds with eyes that you THINK are better. I'd just race the young from them and then just replace the ones that breed nothing.
I'll bet the best National & International flyers aren't filling their stock loft on birds based on eyesign.
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Thanks King, its only the last couple of years that I have finally bred some reliable birds. They are much the same birds but I think I have found the right pairing for each of them now and they are all producing reliable young birds.
Given that the birds that I have are from non-eyesign people, its likely that they have racing eyes rather than breeding eyes which is why its taken me so long to find the right pairings.
Nonetheless, it is the basket that has got me to this stage aand despite the eyesign, I will keep the same pairs together again this year but I still want to learn more about the eyes in the hope that - as Andy suggests - it might help with future selection rather than taking 4 -years of experimenting.
I am very open to the fact that it might not but like Andy and Neil, I do find it interesting.

[king]

Dave, the race basket will tell you more about your birds than you looking into their eyes. As for your stock birds, unless your going to replace them with birds with eyes that you THINK are better. I'd just race the young from them and then just replace the ones that breed nothing.
I'll bet the best National & International flyers aren't filling their stock loft on birds based on eyesign.

Thanks King, its only the last couple of years that I have finally bred some reliable birds. They are much the same birds but I think I have found the right pairing for each of them now and they are all producing reliable young birds.
Given that the birds that I have are from non-eyesign people, its likely that they have racing eyes rather than breeding eyes which is why its taken me so long to find the right pairings.
Nonetheless, it is the basket that has got me to this stage aand despite the eyesign, I will keep the same pairs together again this year but I still want to learn more about the eyes in the hope that - as Andy suggests - it might help with future selection rather than taking 4 -years of experimenting.
I am very open to the fact that it might not but like Andy and Neil, I do find it interesting.
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Dave I think you are falling into the eyesign trap. Don't think racing lofts of 'non-eyesign people' don't have birds with the same eyes as those that believe in it?. I don't believe in it, but have won local eyesign shows over the years both in racing & breeding classes. And although I don't know what the judge is really looking for, I do know which eyes are more likely to get cards.

[Buster121]

For anyone interested there is a book on ebay for eyesign @ £2.95 at present just had a quick look at pics and looks useful for anyone trying to learn more about it

title is practical approach to the study of eyesign in pigeons

[Buster121]

Do yourself a favour Dave and if you have an interest whether it helps or not go for it, I have many books here some useful some not unless you look for yourself then you will never know, to many knockers if it is not what they like