Fanciers keep their birds in now much more over winter than decades ago because the BoP threat now is so great
99/100 you hear of Wing Lock in March/April
Lee Painter used to get a small number with it each year. He only changed his wintering habits following my guidance and now hasn’t had it for 3 years
Same birds, same everything else you care to think of
Keeping birds confined may give fanciers an cause to point too, but how do you explain the 1,000s of fanciers who still keep the birds in over the entire Winter and don't get any wing lock though? And why does it effect some birds and not others? A weakness, underling health issues?
Whilst many more fanciers are keeping birds in over Winter for BOP problems many used too long before BOP was a big problem without getting wing lock.
Because when pigeons are being asked to increase their workload in the weeks leading up to the race season some fanciers are better at managing that workload
I could go and run a marathon tomorrow but don't ask me what I'd be like the day after
Before BoP was the threat that it is today I don't believe fanciers did routinely keep their birds in all winter
Certainly in Rugeley with a town of 80 fanciers no one used to keep their birds confined for extended periods of time
In my opinion I believe its more of a problem now, yes one reason being the confinement over the winter, but also pigeons are now in my opinion hitting levels of form in terms of physical condition than they used to, which is no different to every athlete on the planet be it man or animal. And the more highly tuned a person or athlete is the more likely something is to go wrong. I don't think I'd be speaking out of turn to say our loft has always flown a good pigeon for 50 years, my father would tell you now the pigeons that were winning feds years and years ago excised nothing like the pigeons that win now. Their just at another level as are most peoples. And that's just the way of the world, nutrition, supplement use everything moves forward and gets better. My previous job I was 11 years as a person trainer so I do have a decent understanding of how increased levels of fitness and muscular development increase the risk of injury. This season one week we topped the amal around 2000 birds, this was a blow home as had been the previous 5 weeks, the following Saturday was the first real testing race of the season, we won the race again think we were 5th combine, by tea time that day we had 3 pigeons with wing lock and another the next day. On enquiring other lads who were flying well were the same. Only reason I've mentioned the results was to show that the pigeons were in form and flying well when the problem occurred. As I've stated on here previously we medicate our pigeons very little so certainly don't think it's anything to do with that. I've probably rambled a bit there buts that's my thoughts on it.
MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:00 am
I can certainly buy into what you're saying more than I can with what King is saying
King did basically imply that sprinters get it more than distance men
Show me the evidence of that!
It's a shame we can't access the old Pigeon Chat posts. The majority of fanciers who said they had it were sprint men.
Goose just posted king that he had it and he is a very good distance fancier Mine never fly past 300 miles and have not had it
But mine never have to fly over 6-7hours really mostly 2-3 hours
MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:00 am
I can certainly buy into what you're saying more than I can with what King is saying
King did basically imply that sprinters get it more than distance men
Show me the evidence of that!
It's a shame we can't access the old Pigeon Chat posts. The majority of fanciers who said they had it were sprint men.
Yea right... Whatever
You certainly don't like anybody having an opinion that differs from yours. Whilst keeping birds in MAY be a cause of wing lock. With the number of fanciers now keeping birds in you'd expect a larger number of fanciers to be have birds with it, and certainly a greater number of actual birds with it. You still have given no answer to why the vast majority of birds remain unaffected from long periods of confinement.
Having not had if in over 50 years, I must be doing something right
Likewise I've had them all my life too without having it
I just find it amusing that you make these rash statements emphasising the word SPRINT in one of your posts,, and when I ask you to evidence it the only avenue you can offer is one that is now permanently closed
I haven't had it but I'm aware of the threat. And when I guide peope who had pigeons suffer with it every year and then don't get it following my advice then that leads me to think that I too must be doing something right
MIL wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:40 pm
Likewise I've had them all my life too without having it
I just find it amusing that you make these rash statements emphasising the word SPRINT in one of your posts,, and when I ask you to evidence it the only avenue you can offer is one that is now permanently closed
I haven't had it but I'm aware of the threat. And when I guide peope who had pigeons suffer with it every year and then don't get it following my advice then that leads me to think that I too must be doing something right
Rash? The vast majority of fanciers are now SPRINT. Anybody who thinks that confinement is the cause, can simply let them out over Winter. But if fanciers CAN and DO confine over Winter with ZERO problems, then confinement isn't the cause.
