Agree with Andy, I also wish you all the best in achieving your dream DevoAndy wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:18 pmA great way of putting it mate.Devo1956 wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:58 pmGreat points you have raised Andy, like i have always said. There is no golden rule in this sport, and that is what makes this sport boil over in your blood. I know it does with myself,. I dont want to have a dream, i want to make one.Andy wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:46 pm I do understand what you’re saying Dev and breeding for success is also the thing that I enjoy most about the sport. The racing is primarily there to test what you’re breeding to see if you are moving forward. The pedigree does give you a bit of an insight into what a pigeon may be capable of but that’s about all. One of the things is that no 2 pigeons are the same, even bred from the same birds. How often do you find that one youngster is good and the other useless. You could breed 6 youngsters from the best pair possible and you’d be lucky to have 2 top youngsters. The other 4 wouldn’t be worth keeping. So without testing the youngsters you wouldn’t know which ones are the best. The other trouble is, and I know top fanciers that do this, that these fanciers have lofts and aviary’s just for birds to sell. These birds may be bred down from their best but they have never been out of a loft let alone tested. There are so many birds offered for sale this time of year that have just been bred to be sold.
I think the best way to improve your stock is just to breed and test the ones in your own loft with maybe the odd introduction either from a clearance sale or from a fancier you personally know. The best pigeons I ever brought cost me £10 each from a fancier that I knew and was packing up. Myself and dad went to see him and had the pick of the loft.![]()
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Paper does not fly.
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And I must say Andy you have done well to achieve what you have under some very difficult circumstances and really look forward to seeing you achieve your ambitions
Sadies Lofts home of decent birds just a useless loft manager, and now a confirmed loser but proud

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Anthony webster
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Keep it simple lads if there's not 6 winning pigeons in first 8birds in pedigree leave it alone,
You can pair paper together it's as honest as man writing it out, iv handled thousands with good pedigrees most handle poor normally really long more like a helicopter to hold than a racing pigeon, I hear lads say all shape n sizes win but there's a shape that wins most these never seem to gain weight and fill like there carved out one piece.
Personally tho if you pair winners to winners and winners to children of winners you be very hard to beat over the course of a season.
You can pair paper together it's as honest as man writing it out, iv handled thousands with good pedigrees most handle poor normally really long more like a helicopter to hold than a racing pigeon, I hear lads say all shape n sizes win but there's a shape that wins most these never seem to gain weight and fill like there carved out one piece.
Personally tho if you pair winners to winners and winners to children of winners you be very hard to beat over the course of a season.

