Yes louella is ok as long as people realise they will have to wait to get good birds from them same as Descheemaecker Pigeon Center you can get good bloodlines from both but need to crossed into something to find diamonds in the rough, louella still have some good bulk and liedeman brothers stuff ...

@tony Diamantverbond

@tony you can get them on pipa

Good luck Leon it's our second yb race tomorrow they have done well in training this week and got first one out the way so expecting to get in top 5 of fed this week fingers crossed

Up north combine they out of my wheel house not a name I'm familiar with but I see they have had up north combine dominance from a Google search

In what federation

@murray exactly and I feel it's a shadow used against the community when in reality it's very rare there is always homes for them and majority do everything to make that happen, we can sell our unwanted but I know many average fanciers who will do everything to rehome

@andy I don't know them but I've gathered they have a following but if what I read about there losses is correct and they thought they was ready obviously they have missed something or just been incredibly unlucky either way sad to hear

I picked up on it but didn't want to have to repeat it to correct it c word?

@dave yes with the losses in the nationals and dealing with smaller losses through season you are only left with a small number so count that as the control and I get that mate, that's the norm I'd say for many, do you monitor what pairs have the highest loss rate and remove from stock?